This could get ugly...

[bigdmakintrax]

Orpheus you make more sense to me now.....the how'd he do that factor...LOL thats what I like....combine that with head bob factor you cant go wrong...

 

[andreas]

Well that can to some extent be a factor. But hey, a lot of music is like that and still good as fuck. It ain't no question of how Pop is made. Guitar, bass, drums and song. It can still be original and cool as hell though.

All I'm saying is. Someone can tweek the ass out of their 20 000$ synths and their racks upon racks of effects and stuff but it still sounds boring and liveless. And a man can make a track bang with just his harmonica and his heart..

All I'm saying is. It's not about what you produce on, it's where you produce from. The heart.

A beat has to be filled with heart. Wheter it's sorrow or happyness. A real emotion that grabs the one that's listening is what it's all about.

 

[orpheus]

Well that can to some extent be a factor. But hey, a lot of music is like that and still good as fuck. It ain't no question of how Pop is made. Guitar, bass, drums and song. It can still be original and cool as hell though.

All I'm saying is. Someone can tweek the ass out of their 20 000$ synths and their racks upon racks of effects and stuff but it still sounds boring and liveless. And a man can make a track bang with just his harmonica and his heart..

All I'm saying is. It's not about what you produce on, it's where you produce from. The heart.

A beat has to be filled with heart. Wheter it's sorrow or happyness. A real emotion that grabs the one that's listening is what it's all about.

Of course you know where the guitar and bass and drums come from. But if you hear them process it a certain way or give it a certain sound, and then you say "howd they do that?", then that's what I'm talkin about. Listen to Shadow or somebody like that and think how they did it. It's almost impossible to because its so complex. That's all I'm saying. I don't hear much of that here anymore.

 

[Craig Gantt]

^^^yeah I understand what your sayin now and its funny that I think like that because before I chanced upon this website I didnt know not a damn thing about produciton now I can sit and kick convo with people that produce for me about drumkits, synthesizers (speeled it wrong) (spelled "spelled" wrong lol) and all that. Ive heard beats here that just make my brain stop whatever its doin at the moment and start inventin rhymes those types of beats are less frequent now so.......yup I see what your sayin

Well that can to some extent be a factor. But hey, a lot of music is like that and still good as fuck. It ain't no question of how Pop is made. Guitar, bass, drums and song. It can still be original and cool as hell though.

All I'm saying is. Someone can tweek the ass out of their 20 000$ synths and their racks upon racks of effects and stuff but it still sounds boring and liveless. And a man can make a track bang with just his harmonica and his heart..

All I'm saying is. It's not about what you produce on, it's where you produce from. The heart.

A beat has to be filled with heart. Wheter it's sorrow or happyness. A real emotion that grabs the one that's listening is what it's all about.

^^^I like this dude, thats real shit Ive heard beats done on fruity loops and Roland that sound alot better than stuff I hear that comes off of tritons + mpc's, I suppose when you put ya heart in it youre determined to not let it suck so you tend to put more effort into it ya know

 

[andreas]

I'm not trying to elevate myself now or anything. But I, and I know alot of others aswell make stuff in ways that are alot different from the original process. I admit. I usually go for Rhodes, Organ, Guitar and Piano. But that is not for a lack of knowledge. In my new track "Lo Fi Rhodes and vibraphone" for example the element in the chorus is a Vibraphone that has been dragged through the guitar rig. And then the "In" sound has been stripped leaving only a guitar effect. In sense a ghost of a vibraphone with alot of tremolo and dist.
This for example I prettymuch doubt you'd been able to guess. Not saying this in a condisending way or to put you down. I'm only saing. There's more then meets the eye to the processes that goes on around here.

Ofcourse the mondane way of composing gets to me aswell sometimes. I't gets a little "Done before" but there's still alot of ingenuity and originality to the peeps that dwell here.

Peace

 

[MarkN]

i think your right to an extent, but its also good newbies post i wouldnt have improved like i did if i didn't post and get criticised ! everyone needs that to improve nobody is dr dre in the first few months ! as for not hearing something exciting again your right but how long has it been since anyone in hip hop did something truely different ?

 

[andreas]

So true. Everuthing has to some extent been done before. Novelty is gone.

The only thing that I get fed up at is when someone that is a newb both the the forum and to producing fires of a post and expects reviews but cannot extend the curtesy.

"check my beats, bla bla bla" but can not check other cats beats out themselves. That is the problem here I think.

 

[Cold Truth]

you still in so cal? i thought you went home already


anyhow... to me... the "newbs" are vital.

anyone remember what mark n was doing when he first got here? anyone hear him in the last 6 months? huge difference. right train, wrong track, so to speak... but after a minute or two he's grown into a pretty good beat maker. plus the "old guard" so to speak doesnt erally post up anymore... i make an appearance in the showcase and a beat this here and there, but not very often at all. most of the better guys from two years ago are busy pursuing their actual careers now.

i heard coupe beats that made me cringe... but they were "newb" tracks...the qualty has gone down because guys like holmz, hoppa, guevara, gram green, myself, deuce, p gyal, classic, wings, merc, stress, clev, etc arent postin up like we used to... cam rox doesnt post much, afrique doesnt post much, stradivarius may post whatver recent progress he made, p1 posts once in a blue moon, i mean its a lot of nice cats who arent postin up, and now it's time to help train up these newer cats.

basically they are the newer generation.... the old heads are busy these days, these kids are cutting their teeth now, and i'm sure they know they arent quite on that level yet. the point is they are here to learn and thats what us older cats are here for, to help them get beter.

 

[A B]

wow the attitude some of you older guys have is real encouraging and as a 'newb'' makes me glad to be a part of illmuzik.

 

[DaFunkDocta2004]

STOP SNITCHIN' on the CRATES

Quick 2 cents...we were all young and cocky once. Now, I'm just old and cocky.

I gotta co-sign on these "crate diggin" sections of these sites. That's just plain lazy-ass cheating, sorry. This is Hip-Hop, man, and it used to be a secret society for very specific reasons: the preservation and evolution of the culture and its music. These "crate diggin" sections" totally do away with the idea of DISCOVERY and hard work, and the education of music I know I got from scouring records from here to Australia! Everything else is cool, but some new cat asking for the exact record that Alchemist sampled for "We Gon' Make It", for example, is NOT cool. Now these new cats got a easy way in -- thanks to ANYONE who gives away spots, LP names, or labels -- and they won't know JACK SHIT about music itself, just how to take it and make it like damn fast food with no integrity or heart put into it.

All crate-diggin' sections on producer sites are complete hypocrisies that mock the efforts of the greats that inspired us from the Bomb Squad (who used ALL 48-64 tracks for every sample), to EPMD, to Large Professor, to J Dilla and Madlib, even MF Doom's crazy ass (who will jack yo' shit and TELL you...he's cool though, remember Peach Fuzz?) For the sake of Hip-Hop...ALL you "producer sites": STOP SNITCHIN'!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Chrono]

i've noticed that i've progressed pretty slow over the years but i've got problems with alcohol and partying too much. Also i got into production because i wrote an rapped and needed some beats.. before long I found myself amazed on how tracks were put together and the equiptment used to create it. But i really don't vibe too well with software being my sole tool. i'm buying an mpc1000 once i find a good deal after serious personal debate an i think that will make things more enjoyable for me. I understand how i could make my tracks better by planning them out more and understanding what makes a beat go well my vocals. But between the alcohol an weed i can't bring myself to open FL and Reason consistantly enough to progress effeciently. Along with the MPC i'm also actively getting my willpower together to check my alcohol and herb (braincandy) problem in exchange for a nice relationship with an ill girl(s), grades in school, and beats that i can create and slaughter later to build an album with. I don't blame the vets here that have heard this from me before to think i'm bullshit.. an course you have a right.. i just know im getting farther from a career, family, and musically ill and closer too being broke, alone, in jail, and musically a failure.

this is mad personal but i thought it might pertain to this thread.

 

[JPeg]

Quick 2 cents...we were all young and cocky once. Now, I'm just old and cocky.

I gotta co-sign on these "crate diggin" sections of these sites. That's just plain lazy-ass cheating, sorry. This is Hip-Hop, man, and it used to be a secret society for very specific reasons: the preservation and evolution of the culture and its music. These "crate diggin" sections" totally do away with the idea of DISCOVERY and hard work, and the education of music I know I got from scouring records from here to Australia! Everything else is cool, but some new cat asking for the exact record that Alchemist sampled for "We Gon' Make It", for example, is NOT cool. Now these new cats got a easy way in -- thanks to ANYONE who gives away spots, LP names, or labels -- and they won't know JACK SHIT about music itself, just how to take it and make it like damn fast food with no integrity or heart put into it.

All crate-diggin' sections on producer sites are complete hypocrisies that mock the efforts of the greats that inspired us from the Bomb Squad (who used ALL 48-64 tracks for every sample), to EPMD, to Large Professor, to J Dilla and Madlib, even MF Doom's crazy ass (who will jack yo' shit and TELL you...he's cool though, remember Peach Fuzz?) For the sake of Hip-Hop...ALL you "producer sites": STOP SNITCHIN'!!!!!!!!!!

times change it aint gonna stop, internet, uploading, sites/books that list out all the sample that were used in nearly every track is all out in the open so enjoy it, why be angry and threatened by this? it means u can learn more in a shorter space and time.

Also just cos u know what something is it may be hard to find also just buying the records dont mean ur gonna have the ear to catch the sample and then flip it into something dope.

 

[Freakwncy]

Quick 2 cents...we were all young and cocky once. Now, I'm just old and cocky.

I gotta co-sign on these "crate diggin" sections of these sites. That's just plain lazy-ass cheating, sorry. This is Hip-Hop, man, and it used to be a secret society for very specific reasons: the preservation and evolution of the culture and its music. These "crate diggin" sections" totally do away with the idea of DISCOVERY and hard work, and the education of music I know I got from scouring records from here to Australia! Everything else is cool, but some new cat asking for the exact record that Alchemist sampled for "We Gon' Make It", for example, is NOT cool. Now these new cats got a easy way in -- thanks to ANYONE who gives away spots, LP names, or labels -- and they won't know JACK SHIT about music itself, just how to take it and make it like damn fast food with no integrity or heart put into it.

All crate-diggin' sections on producer sites are complete hypocrisies that mock the efforts of the greats that inspired us from the Bomb Squad (who used ALL 48-64 tracks for every sample), to EPMD, to Large Professor, to J Dilla and Madlib, even MF Doom's crazy ass (who will jack yo' shit and TELL you...he's cool though, remember Peach Fuzz?) For the sake of Hip-Hop...ALL you "producer sites": STOP SNITCHIN'!!!!!!!!!!

In away I see what you're saying, but in away.. .who cares... If it's like rare jewels like ie: John Carlos Rubins Fantastic Mumbo Band - The Mumbo Way or Nothing ... I say yeah keep that to urself... but it's ie: James Brown, P.Funk... , Q. Jones, Marvin Harris... any of those old Famous pple that ur moms or pops can tell you about... it's cool.. but yeah.. keep those rare jems to urself... u'll kick urself later, if u dont....

 

[Bloodybastid]

Holy shit

The way I see it is that this site is used to help upcoming producers, veteran producers, professionals who are trying to improve their beat-making game. I love giving insight to other people's beats, I just love hearing how people create music in general. But you're right, there are A LOT of wack shit on here these days (I've made plenty as well), it's just that it upsets me when I hear something that doesn't have any effort put in. Like someone just tried to bang something out of a cheap keyboard and add some little-ass drums and called it a day. That really upsets me, because I know I always put in a good amount of effort on my beats, whether they're good or bad that's up to you. And you're right about the Kanye-5-beats-a-day comment. I know this guy who would bust out 7 or 8 beats a day, and his good beat to bad beat ratio is absolutely horrible. For like every 30 beats he make there would only be like 4-5 that I would really like. But I definitely try to outdo myself every single time I make a beat. And that's what producers should really strive for.

 

[Cold Truth]

ok well i see where are coming from and all, but...

Quick 2 cents...we were all young and cocky once. Now, I'm just old and cocky.

I gotta co-sign on these "crate diggin" sections of these sites. That's just plain lazy-ass cheating, sorry. This is Hip-Hop, man, and it used to be a secret society for very specific reasons: the preservation and evolution of the culture and its music. These "crate diggin" sections" totally do away with the idea of DISCOVERY and hard work, and the education of music I know I got from scouring records from here to Australia! Everything else is cool, but some new cat asking for the exact record that Alchemist sampled for "We Gon' Make It", for example, is NOT cool. Now these new cats got a easy way in -- thanks to ANYONE who gives away spots, LP names, or labels -- and they won't know JACK SHIT about music itself, just how to take it and make it like damn fast food with no integrity or heart put into it.

All crate-diggin' sections on producer sites are complete hypocrisies that mock the efforts of the greats that inspired us from the Bomb Squad (who used ALL 48-64 tracks for every sample), to EPMD, to Large Professor, to J Dilla and Madlib, even MF Doom's crazy ass (who will jack yo' shit and TELL you...he's cool though, remember Peach Fuzz?) For the sake of Hip-Hop...ALL you "producer sites": STOP SNITCHIN'!!!!!!!!!!

i understand your frustrations and all... but see if the resources are there to amplify somebodies knowledge, if the availability is there then the only problem is the people whoare complaining about it. i'm not a digger. i'll ask people for good places to dig for drums.... because i am a NOT a digger. not my style for one, and for two its not something i have the time or energy to devote to.... my time is consumed by composing; so yeah im going to take the so-called "easy way out" and use either well known drums or ask somebody to point me towards a lesser known place... sorry.... but thats me... but i have also turned those drums unrecognizable at times, so....

now i have lashed out at people- here and other places- that post up asking for exact, step by step instructions to make a beat.... at the end of the day there is NOTHING wrong with asking for help... if a digging beat maker wants to compose something from scratch and asks for some soulful chords, some scary, eerie ones, whatever.. i'll let him know what i know to help him get going.

some of you foget that the primos and pete rocks had teachers, they had large pros and marley marls teaching em, getting WAY more first hand knowledge then any of us are gettin off a hip hop site... there is NO difference other then the exclusive teacher-student dynamic is no longer necessary, as information can now be obtained to the masses....

and there is NO reason to complain about wack beat makers..... why would i be upset at somebody being wack? my concern is with dudes who actually got skills, however they got there, because thats my competition....

 

[Anubis-Ra]

Damn I love this site.:headbang2


:thumb:

 

[Beatz 101]

Personally, i rarely put the babies ( my joints i put 100% of my soul into) on the internet.

so maybe my skills might have seemed to downgraded, but that was stricly a business strategy. And im pretty sure others on this site do the same thing.

i might put a joint up for a Beat This! comp but i try to limit my joints so i can keep some of the snakes at bay.

But i like the environment at illmuzik. It really helps me polish my craft n' keeps me wantin' to become a better producer. If it wasnt for illmuzik i'd be an arrogant asshole cuz there wouldnt be nobody to check me. illmuzik kinda let me know that there is acouple kats in my position that can shit on me if they wanted to so that keeps me on my toes.

 

[bigdmakintrax]

Personally, i rarely put the babies ( my joints i put 100% of my soul into) on the internet.

so maybe my skills might have seemed to downgraded, but that was stricly a business strategy. And im pretty sure others on this site do the same thing.

i might put a joint up for a Beat This! comp but i try to limit my joints so i can keep some of the snakes at bay.

But i like the environment at illmuzik. It really helps me polish my craft n' keeps me wantin' to become a better producer. If it wasnt for illmuzik i'd be an arrogant asshole cuz there wouldnt be nobody to check me. illmuzik kinda let me know that there is acouple kats in my position that can shit on me if they wanted to so that keeps me on my toes.

There ya go....I don't know how many times, its been seen and done....theft is more rampant than you think LOL and hell....a cat under the gun, on a payroll at a label would almost kill for a good idea or melody if they in a slump to deliver...that's real talk...I seen Nomics, and other cats talk about so and so stole this melody or concept and i have seen it first hand....NEver show all ya cards....especially if its a song that someone can easily go find the sample or recreate the melody or concept.......look at the number of guests on any given site with production or music....and trust me there are cats on this site that have material worthy of a contract or somebodies album.

 

[DaFunkDocta2004]

...in anything you want to do with your life, but you only truly learn when you make mistakes. Offering a step in the right direction is necessary, I'm just not holding anyone's hand through this. It makes Hip-Hop cheap...even more than it is right now, sigh.

I just don't like lazy mofos. I never said composing was an easy way out, though. That's a skill I admire and want to learn myself among other things. That's about music. Asking me where this or that sample that so-and-so used is just about greed, or deluded greed, I should say, cuz I want money, too, just on my established terms, not the next man's.

I hardly think these crate-diggin "forums" will stop, if anything, they'll get worse. It's really up to who put those forums up and how they regulate them. This Internet is a gift and curse. It connects us all, but to whom? Real, sincere lovers of music who just want to build on their passions or just fly-by-night track thieves that could very well take the slot a more deserving producer/composer/songwriter deserves? Well, hey, as some of you would say, "that's life" or "that's business"...which, in essence, it is. But, in MY essence, FUCK THAT. Gotta stand for something! Why accept everything thrown at you?

times change it aint gonna stop, internet, uploading, sites/books that list out all the sample that were used in nearly every track is all out in the open so enjoy it, why be angry and threatened by this? it means u can learn more in a shorter space and time.

Also just cos u know what something is it may be hard to find also just buying the records dont mean ur gonna have the ear to catch the sample and then flip it into something dope.

I already enjoy collecting music as a hobby...besides I'd probably just find a ton of shit that was already used to death or that I used MYSELF. Yeah, the collection's that deep. ENJOY IT? HOW? I already have and enjoyed the CD's THE SAMPLES WERE USED ON! Sheesh.

Yeah, but that doesn't mean that whatever WEAK-ASS interpretation some lazy fool slaps together from my records won't get on the radio either. So, what then...do THEIR thing? Designate THEM as dope? Hell to the naw, buddy.