I have been blessed with vinyl, now what?

[classic]

Hey yall, god is truly good,

my grandfather(who is 94) as well as my 2 aunts and my mother have amassed a vinyal collection of over 1500 records just sitting in the actic.

My grandfather wants me to take them so he can clear space of the attick. WTF?? I was like sure!!!!!! Some of this is rare blues and jazz stuff as well as funk and soul(grandad was a jazz musician)

ANyway, i got myself and record player and im ready to get started

but

Where to start man.??? I know absoulty nothing about sampling, i might as well be starting all over again, well i know a little somehting about looping etc.. but what are some handy tricks and tips for a begginner. I mean i know how to chop and use sound forge, im more intrested throries of finding breaks, what to listen for ,etc....

Im kind overwhelemed casue there is so much good music here, i just want to loop shit.

The hardest part for me so far is the work flow, im used to just sitting down at the keys and going, but with this sampling thing u have to listen and find stuff, im not used to that

any handy tips would be much appericated.

Class..

P.S for my MPC heads, its it more effective for u to record direclty into the MPC amnd chop or chop on our computer. Ive been chopping on my computer using soundfourgae but it can be time consuming at times.

 

[Greg Savage]

well i mean whats hard? you just listen .. if u find something u wanna use.. Sample it

Chopping um i find it easier to do in the computer(Faster for me).. but choppin on my 3000 aint so bad just not as flexible as my software

 

[J Rilla]

Yo class i cant give u much advice,but i would like to point out u are one lucky mofo.....I got an Older cousin with a hefty amount of records and he wont even let me in the same room with them bitches.....anywho good luck with your sampling endeavor

 

[Loose Cannon]

I prefer chopping on hardware. If you really like to have a clean sound then computer will definitely help. Cuz you can get out whatever scratches or pops in the record you find.

One thing, its gonna be real tempting to just loop something like a 20 second portion of vinyl. If you really feel like you hafto use that 20 seconds, then chop it up. A couple good things about chopping it up is that you have more opportunities with the record. You have more options of what way you wanna put the sounds. Its not just how they have it, you can switch it up and make it your own (you probly know most of this, im just makin sure you got everything straight). And another thing is that if its kinda off-tempo cuz it swings, cuz its live, then chopping it up will let you quantize it so you got it on-point. Theres so much things to say.

I dont think youll have this problem with the MP cuz you got mad memory, but if your ever running out of memory, you can sample the record in at 45rpm, then just pitch your sample down. It will take up less memory, and if your tryin to give a sample more grimyness then that works for that too.


theres alot of shit, i gotta think about some things i didnt mention.
Let me know if you got any questions about it

 

[MarkN]

Like i woz saying earlier, listen to the stuff as a song first, just get the whole mood of it etc then listen again and pick apart the bits but really have your ears pricked up for dope sounds or breaks etc to sample, sumtimes its obviously like you will have a 4 bar intro you can loop or chop or woteva other times its a part of a verse or a bridge or woteva ! My main tip is don't have any conception going in to each track the worst track can have good samples and just because its marvin gaye or gladys knight doesnt mean there will be a sample on there ! Also listen the whole track coz you will be amazed wot you can miss trust me on that one !

Id also chop on the PC especially to start with as its easier with the visual aid, once u get good at you dnt rely on that so much and you know wot u want and can chop it on the MPC

 

[Equality 7-2521]

classic you lucky muthafuckaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

aight you have basically been given a gold mine.

i listen for sounds which are unique. for example, i often come across a piano which is quite usable, but will leave it for another time because i have heard a million other pianos that sound the same....and im not talking about note structure, im talking about the texture and feel of the piano sound itself. if however something original with some flavour pops up i mark the record appropriately and put it asside in a "to be sampled" pile.

then its a matter of just recording the sample and flipping it.

if it was me, id stay away from looping shit. in my opinion it completely kills all the fun.

 

[classic]

this is good stuff keep it coming helix

now equlitity that sounds like a good idea, so ur saying u basically go threw and grap "bits" and 'pieces" and assample them in a beat later??? So u will use a horn from this song and a stab from that song??? Just wondering

Im sad to say man but i never realised how beautful the sound is off vinyal?? i havent listened to records since i was a kid, dont get me wrong i know my music like that back of my hand but all my oldies are on CD or tape.

now i know what yall sample heads are talkin about when ur describing that "vinyal" sound

class.....

P.S holmz where u at i need u on this one!!!!

 

[FTdub]

Man, Am I jealous. I have had family and friends give me up to 20 records at a time, but it sounds like you won the hip hop lottery. As far as sampling goes, You are such a good instrumentalist, that I would start by looking for interesting samples that will provide a comfortable groove for you to construct your own melodies. For you, I would stay away from sounds that you play well and look for percussive or groovin stuff for your rhythm section. You sound is a clean sound, so I would sample into the computer first, clean, chop, and maybe add effects before outputing the samples to mpc. EQ the best you can while recording into the computer. And please, on behalf of vinyl junkies, listen to the records, they need love too. Needle dropping is neglecting.

 

[classic]

EQ the best you can while recording into the computer. And please, on behalf of vinyl junkies, listen to the records, they need love too. Needle dropping is neglecting.

Ohh yea most def man im a musican first and a hip hop producer second, if i never made another beat in my life this things will still get my love and care, great advice eariler man

class.

 

[TheSpark...]

What MPC do you have... because if you got one that has the usb, just chop in your sound editor and import to your mpc that has the usb... I love doing that... now one thing is though I sample sounds and odd shit not old songs... I just get one single note... make a program on the mpc... and change all the pads to diiferent notes and bloughw, a melody appears...

 

[Streetwize]

bitch....lol

 

[Lex]

First off, you lucky bastard...LOL

Everyone bows down to the sound of vinyl, it can't be helped...that beatiful gritty dronig sound before a track is beautiful, and all those little cracks and pops...ahhhh

Everyone has pretty much said everything about finding/record samples but...

Try samling some single hits too, even if you have already mastered getting those dirty gritty sounds synthetically [for your drums especially]... just record some - wether or not you EQ, filter and layer them or not, they just have a certain sound that you can't reproduce [And you don't have to stick to drums, messing with other sounds you find can work just as nicely].

 

[Cleverwon]

You can start by sending me 200 - 300 of them. : )

 

[Loose Cannon]

Yea just give me about 100 so i can show you how you need to work the samples.

 

[DJ Dro]

YO when you gonna let me come through and rip some of them ! LOL But yeah ... you have a motif right ? you can sample into that but i wouldnt do it for anything but loops and one shots ... I think it would prolly be best to use the MPC for chopping and you can just sample directly into it. If you have any experience w/ software you can use my favorite tool EVER AKA Phatmatik PRO for chopping and arranging the samples. The phatmatik automatically maps the samples out on the keys so if you hook up the midi you can play the sample on the keys and come up w/ some wild shit. Also if you want to just loop something you will most likely need to re-arrange it by cross fading all the kicks and snares (kinda like quantizing the sample) and then it will be one beat. These people didnt exactly play in time w/ a metronome but thats what gives it SOUL.

Good luck fam ... welcome to the darkside

 

[mr mello]

Classic you are too lucky . If I was you , I would just listen to them. There is so much you can learn from just listening.

 

[bigdmakintrax]

Classic Hey man do you even have a record player? or turntables? hey but look man Good Job, you gonna have lots of fun flipping stuff.....

 

[classic]

Classic Hey man do you even have a record player? or turntables? hey but look man Good Job, you gonna have lots of fun flipping stuff.....

Yea man i just copped a vestax portable turn table and hooked it up to my mixer, it has a great sound. Im listieng as we speak. Good lookin on all the advice yall im takin this all to heart, i think i just gotta get my hands direty and get started.

bitch....lol

I feel ya, i told some of my beatmakin friends and they almost shit themselves
Man i tell ya, this should have really happend to someone else, but im not gonna look a gift horse in the mouth

If it makes u feel any better i think that they he is over estimating when he said 1500 but we will see. Ive only seen 5 boxes *each with 100* so thats 500 records(still not bad though

so far i only have the first box which is approx 100 records. He says he has 15 boxes of 100 records in the attic. I will have to drive back down to DC and rumage threw the attick to find them

I aint gonna like though i am blessed, i just got off the phone with my uncles and my mom and they are sending me vinyal too..

God is good yall

class...

 

[Ash Holmz]

man good shit class!! nice.... ... personalyy i prefer chopping on software cuz its just plain quicker but sometimes with hardware u can get a smoother chopp .. basically i would chop w/ software and if u cant get it right then try it on hardware .. i would start by just cutting loops just to get the feel of tempos and stuff then gradually try to shape and mold your sound with more delicate chops... many times u can flip, filter and reaarrange one sample into many instruments throughout the track ... most of my beats have the same sample altered in diffrent ways to make diffrent sounds... the rule is there are no rules... really its not much diffrent then composing from sythns really alot of the same techniques are involved

 

[x-squizet]

wow class thats nice man, i am glad for you, like pretty much everybody told me that if you just starting out most people said loop your samplse and make a beat from that and start doing big chops and stuff then work your way down to like chopping certain instruments like drums or horns