Believe it or not i listen to Classical Music: a Theoretical Perspective

[bigdmakintrax]

I have always listened to Classical music for ideas on my strings and using timpanis, when I played in organized bands in School I used to think that was the most boring pieces to play and I really didn't appreciate it then, but I always like the timpanis and crashes of cymbals etc..... and some of the way it builds and then gets calm, I like my tracks to be dramatic too, like on my page with critical overload beat, I got a ton of beats like that though, anyhow just imagine if some of the great composers that had to think up everything in their heads, had to write each part and movement for each section and instrument in an orchestra to recite had access to a keyboard workstation like a Motif or Triton today, I think it would be mind blowing, I really don't think a lot of the music today can scratch the surface on some cats like Beethoven as far as getting really deep into sequencing except for maybe some cats that do film scores and really they aren't writing hundreds or thousands of compositions, I recently had this discussion with the musical director at Catholic University and we were talking about this in depth, what do you think would happen if some of the old composers were living today?

 

[shadeed]

I have always listened to Classical music for ideas on my strings and using timpanis, when I played in organized bands in School I used to think that was the most boring pieces to play and I really didn't appreciate it then, but I always like the timpanis and crashes of cymbals etc..... and some of the way it builds and then gets calm, I like my tracks to be dramatic too, like on my page with critical overload beat, I got a ton of beats like that though, anyhow just imagine if some of the great composers that had to think up everything in their heads, had to write each part and movement for each section and instrument in an orchestra to recite had access to a keyboard workstation like a Motif or Triton today, I think it would be mind blowing, I really don't think a lot of the music today can scratch the surface on some cats like Beethoven as far as getting really deep into sequencing except for maybe some cats that do film scores and really they aren't writing hundreds or thousands of compositions, I recently had this discussion with the musical director at Catholic University and we were talking about this in depth, what do you think would happen if some of the old composers were living today?

The composers of today's era can never be compared to those of yesteryear because today's composers learned music theory from studying the "old school", and very rarely will they step out of that shadow or create an original piece that can be considered classic.
If some of the old composers were living today, I'm sure that they would compose something that would top their previous work. I think because of their knowledge and vast experience with sequencing "manually" they could take that Triton and make magic with it. I also think that they would be involved heavily with scoring movies also, which would also be classic material.

 

[classic]

Well it depends what u mean by modern

THere are Alot of post neo classical composers that are doing there thing, its just that the public isent aware of them becasue neo-classical music hasent been the music of the "day" since the 1890's

modern neo-classical composers like,
hanz zimmer(Gladiatior, last of the mohicans,etc, etc)
Racmintoff

Have definaly carried the the tourch of the old classical tratitions, also u have to take into account that there are many more genere's of music today. COmposers like duke ellintion,miles davis, john coltrane, are DEFINALY on the same level as mozart bach. But they do jazz instead of classical music.

But u are right on alot or points though. TO much music today is just a guy sitting at a keyboard playing a major chourd progession. Alot of people are untrained so that leads to alot of the same keysignatures, meaning alot of stuff sounds the same.

If those old classical composers were alive today, they would be killing it. I would love to work with rachminoff.

class....

 

[Cold Truth]

if they were alive today, people woudl say they were great- but that they couldnt ever compare to whoever came out in their place at the time.

thats peoples mindest: whatever is old is "better" and NOTHING can ever "top" it.

even though, its not "possible" to do that anyways, because classic material is classic material.

hanz zimmer also did "last samurai" if i am not mistaken, and he uses a lot of samplers and keyboards, actually. i could be misinformed, but thats my understanding of it.

 

[CampO]

Hans Zimmer is Da shit I love the Last Samurai Sound Track he did

 

[StressWon]

Zimmer is dope,,,My personal fav is John Williams. I think he is up there with the greats. I mean, StarWars and Superman had the best scores. Also, Danny Elfman is great! My old favs are Bach, Chopin, and Mozart. You can hear them in most of my early beats.

 

[classic]

Damn makes me feel good to know other cats out their are feeling hanz zimmer.

I love all his ish, and eventually i would like to score movies someday.

I still think his best work is the Gladator soundtrack
last samuri was dope though..

Now THATS a producers set up i would like to check out... anyone got any info

class...

FYI. if you guys like hans zimmer you should check out the romotic-classical composer "elgar" (i forgot his first name) he is a direct influnce of hans zimmer. Everyone knows Elgar's work becasue he wrote the "graduation song" played at all highschool and college graudations. His work is very fluid and slow moving just like hanz zimmer

 

[Maknbeats]

John Williams is my man!! he did all those movies star wars superman, et, home alone, and the Indiana Jones. I even like the stuff he did with the Boston Pops. He's a crazy composer though, i got to give it to him.

 

[Cold Truth]

oh, and joh nbrion is nice too.

 

[WingsOfAnAngel]

FYI. if you guys like hans zimmer you should check out the romotic-classical composer "elgar" (i forgot his first name) he is a direct influnce of hans zimmer. Everyone knows Elgar's work becasue he wrote the "graduation song" played at all highschool and college graudations. His work is very fluid and slow moving just like hanz zimmer

Edward Elgar: 2 jun 1857 (Broadheath) - 23 feb 1934 (Worchester) - http://www.elgar.org/2english.htm

Enjoy,
Wings

 

[Fade]

Ya'll are forgetting about Danny Lux! He's done lots of stuff, one off the top of my head is Halloween: Resurrection.

And ya, classical music is dope, I sample that all the time. There would probably be a few composers from back then that would be using too much of the modern recording process, resulting in not so good recordings.

 

[afriquedeluxe]

han zimmers? am sure i got some han zimmers refills, like guitar refills he helped create

 

[L-LaMENT]

what do you think would happen if some of the old composers were living today?

In response to Big's original post... I think if some of the older composers were alive today that they kind of feel that most musicians today were lazy...(just a theory but) like
shadeed said, old school composers like Bach, Beethoven, etc. sequenced manually. Everything now is mechanized and hell, if I had to do what they did to make one composition, I'd be exhausted. Though on the flip side, I do think that they would be amazed at the new sounds and styles that have come about (jazz, rock, hiph op, RnB, etc.)

 

[afriquedeluxe]

true that, if old composers were alive today, they would probably think of us as lazy. And am speaking about people that actually compose, like soundtrack/score composers and these other classical people. Now on hiphop/rnb? lol i dont know what they would think of us, probably just a nuisance in music. I doubt theyd even regard it as music. One thing i do know is they would either get jealous of this genre making alot of money and getting more fame and a larger audience, or they would join as, and start getting a share of the younger market. But we cant keep looking back and comparing ourselves to them dudes man, no way. They were on another level, and so are we, its hard to compare the two because we have had different upbringings, not forgetting that they were real geniuses lol. but i think we should move on, maybe 100 years from now, music making will even be way easier than it is today, and the people then could say we had it bad in the 21st century.

 

[L-LaMENT]

true that, if old composers were alive today, they would probably think of us as lazy. And am speaking about people that actually compose, like soundtrack/score composers and these other classical people. Now on hiphop/rnb? lol i dont know what they would think of us, probably just a nuisance in music. I doubt theyd even regard it as music. One thing i do know is they would either get jealous of this genre making alot of money and getting more fame and a larger audience, or they would join as, and start getting a share of the younger market. But we cant keep looking back and comparing ourselves to them dudes man, no way. They were on another level, and so are we, its hard to compare the two because we have had different upbringings, not forgetting that they were real geniuses lol. but i think we should move on, maybe 100 years from now, music making will even be way easier than it is today, and the people then could say we had it bad in the 21st century.

You got a point....

 

[Cold Truth]

i have to disagreee afrique.

they would be exposed to the things of this time- culture, technology, etc.... you are speaking as if they would be the exact same people transported to todays era in a time machine, on some disney movie tip-"bach goes to new york city!" and if you look at it that way, then i guess you would be right.

if they were alive today, they may not even be musicians. they would be different people in a different era exposed to different things......

i mean.. they would probably be more likely to pick up a guitar if they were born into this era...

 

[classic]

true that, if old composers were alive today, they would probably think of us as lazy. And am speaking about people that actually compose, like soundtrack/score composers and these other classical people. Now on hiphop/rnb? lol i dont know what they would think of us, probably just a nuisance in music. I doubt theyd even regard it as music. One thing i do know is they would either get jealous of this genre making alot of money and getting more fame and a larger audience, or they would join as, and start getting a share of the younger market. But we cant keep looking back and comparing ourselves to them dudes man, no way. They were on another level, and so are we, its hard to compare the two because we have had different upbringings, not forgetting that they were real geniuses lol. but i think we should move on, maybe 100 years from now, music making will even be way easier than it is today, and the people then could say we had it bad in the 21st century.

Naw i disagree newphew
they werent on "another level" There is no differnce between composing a score by hand(manually) or editing MIDI data on a computer, logically its the same. The only thing that has changed is the speed and efficency.

If your a genius, your music will stand the test of time regardless of what was used to create it.

You guys gotta understand, your naming genious. EVeryone is always saying
"we arent on the same level as old school composers like mozart, bach beetoven etc."

But for every genuius like bach or chopin, there was a million medoirce composers from the same era that we will never hear about. It has nothing to do with that "old school" era of how music was created. It has to do with genius, genuis will stand the test of time

100 years from now they will be saying the same thing(some people already are) about ray charles, Duke ellington, Qunciy jones, Muddy waters, John coltrain. Becasue they were genuises also

Bach was composing in the 1600's
mozart 1700's and
beetoven 1800's

Each generation marvled at the others abilitiy becaue there was a huge leap in music theory and techology between the 1600's and the 1800's countless new techniques were developed between bach's time(chamber, boroque music) and beetovens time(romatic classicizm)

they were sayin the same things u just said in beetovens era(no body will be on bach's level he dident have all this new stuff that these modern composers have etc...)

Its all realtive

class......

 

[afriquedeluxe]

i have to disagreee afrique.

they would be exposed to the things of this time- culture, technology, etc.... you are speaking as if they would be the exact same people transported to todays era in a time machine, on some disney movie tip-"bach goes to new york city!" and if you look at it that way, then i guess you would be right.

if they were alive today, they may not even be musicians. they would be different people in a different era exposed to different things......

i mean.. they would probably be more likely to pick up a guitar if they were born into this era...

hmm indeed, but i was going along with the idea of having transported the dudes straight from that time. like on a disney movie trip as you pointed out.

class relativity is something id missed out, so i guess we have to always take that into consideration.