Still regarding sampling

[attila]

It seems to be a common opinion that taking 4 bars from a record as they are, looping them, adding drums and other samples and instruments on top is something that producers should avoid. To win a battle on Illmuzic? Okay, fair enough. Should they never do it? Well, hold on a moment. I could give a billion examples; let’s take this one, and forgive me if it’s not hip hop, but it still applies to my reasoning. Bonobo sampled 4 bars from 'Aquarius' by Chaquito for his track 'Flutter,' and that’s exactly what we’re talking about. He built a whole song on that loop. Drums and other instruments were added, but the loop is central, not just accessory. If Bonobo had thought he shouldn’t do it, we would never have had this wonderful track. No one stopped Bonobo from producing tracks by giving up this approach, but if he had refused on principle, this music would have lost out. So I think a producer should prioritize music over technical issues. Virtuosity and skills are great when they serve the music, but it’s always the music that must lead, and music is not a tool for the ego of the creator. Good musicians, those who play real instruments, are not the ones who can play scales at monstrous speeds and impossible chords, if they don’t know when it’s time for simplicity and linearity or even to not play at all, without falling into the Malmsteen syndrome. My two cents.

 

[2GooD Productions]

Well it works for me. Don't let people tell you what you should and shouldn't do, there are no real rules, just guidelines. If a 4 bar loop is a dope basis for a beat, use it.

 

[Iron Keys]

Ngl, after years of self teaching myself hip hop, making catchy melodies etc inspired by my fave producers... to realising majority of their hit records were literally just fucking samples, was a really demotivating moment.

Felt betrayed.

I accepted early hip hop and how it was founded was like that. And I accept it to an extent with the sample style of hip hop.

But yeah. It's whatever. Make great records.

I kinda still also feel that should apply to battles too, but can't help feeling like it's slyly 'cheating' (at loss of a better term). Most annoys me when I see some of the better names here do it - because they don't have to, at all.

It feels like, you made a beat in 10 minutes by just chucking drums over a finished record. Can't justify 20-30 points for that surely.

It's one thing some average Joe doing it, and it still sounding a bit rough... bit if a Iron Keys, 2Good, Arvin, Twu, do it. And mix it really well (which would also take no effort for such names) it just feels mad cheap. For a battle. I dunno.

Is what it is, I think its if people don't recognise the sample but.

Whatever. We can all just upload our favorite records with new drums

 

[attila]

Well it works for me. Don't let people tell you what you should and shouldn't do, there are no real rules, just guidelines. If a 4 bar loop is a dope basis for a beat, use it.

Amen

 

[Fade]

Sampling a loop is fine, but I've always said that you should at least do something with it. It could be just chopping it up and rearranging it, or layering other stuff on top, whatever sounds dope. But like @Iron Keys said, it sucks to find out that some of the most famous Rap songs are just loops.

 

[2GooD Productions]

Ngl, after years of self teaching myself hip hop, making catchy melodies etc inspired by my fave producers... to realising majority of their hit records were literally just fucking samples, was a really demotivating moment.

Felt betrayed.

I accepted early hip hop and how it was founded was like that. And I accept it to an extent with the sample style of hip hop.

But yeah. It's whatever. Make great records.

I kinda still also feel that should apply to battles too, but can't help feeling like it's slyly 'cheating' (at loss of a better term). Most annoys me when I see some of the better names here do it - because they don't have to, at all.

It feels like, you made a beat in 10 minutes by just chucking drums over a finished record. Can't justify 20-30 points for that surely.

It's one thing some average Joe doing it, and it still sounding a bit rough... bit if a Iron Keys, 2Good, Arvin, Twu, do it. And mix it really well (which would also take no effort for such names) it just feels mad cheap. For a battle. I dunno.

Is what it is, I think its if people don't recognise the sample but.

Whatever. We can all just upload our favorite records with new drums

I agree to an extent, sometimes I feel really dirty. Like with the Kill Till I Die one, I had to stem rip it to make sure I could make it more my own and not just chop and rearrange the sample and just adding some drums and some bass. Done a couple others I feel bad about too.

I would like to just compose a load of stuff so I can get into sync licensing, but I get a lot of inspiration from a great sample, and get stuck in sampling mode. A dope sample is a dope sample at the end of the day. Half of sampling is an ear for a good sample, the other half is building around it to make it your own and dope for hip hop or whatever other genre you are sampling for. Just have to worry about the copyright police.

 

[Iron Keys]

I agree to an extent, sometimes I feel really dirty. Like with the Kill Till I Die one, I had to stem rip it to make sure I could make it more my own and not just chop and rearrange the sample and just adding some drums and some bass. Done a couple others I feel bad about too.

I would like to just compose a load of stuff so I can get into sync licensing, but I get a lot of inspiration from a great sample, and get stuck in sampling mode. A dope sample is a dope sample at the end of the day. Half of sampling is an ear for a good sample, the other half is building around it to make it your own and dope for hip hop or whatever other genre you are sampling for. Just have to worry about the copyright police.

Agree with all this.

One reason I didn't spend too much time getting I to sampling.

Tho my mentor recently said meh someone will clear the sample or writing to the owner. Apparently sometimes it's really fucking easy.

 

[attila]

Ngl, after years of self teaching myself hip hop, making catchy melodies etc inspired by my fave producers... to realising majority of their hit records were literally just fucking samples, was a really demotivating moment.

Felt betrayed.

I accepted early hip hop and how it was founded was like that. And I accept it to an extent with the sample style of hip hop.

But yeah. It's whatever. Make great records.

I kinda still also feel that should apply to battles too, but can't help feeling like it's slyly 'cheating' (at loss of a better term). Most annoys me when I see some of the better names here do it - because they don't have to, at all.

It feels like, you made a beat in 10 minutes by just chucking drums over a finished record. Can't justify 20-30 points for that surely.

It's one thing some average Joe doing it, and it still sounding a bit rough... bit if a Iron Keys, 2Good, Arvin, Twu, do it. And mix it really well (which would also take no effort for such names) it just feels mad cheap. For a battle. I dunno.

Is what it is, I think its if people don't recognise the sample but.

Whatever. We can all just upload our favorite records with new drums

to me it makes sense that battles need a different criteria. But as a simple listener, I mean, my library Is full of 4 bars sample based tracks that I'm grateful for.

 

[2GooD Productions]

Even when composing I tend to stick to 4 or 8 bar loops so that the end result resembles hip hop. A lot of the variation comes from drum variation, or other 4 bar loops that I compose that come in and drop out for progression and to keep things interesting throughout

 

[Iron Keys]

All I know, is my shazam has some absolute bangers I'm going to sample and fuck someone with.

And I hope its @2GooD Productions who gets absolutely fucked and ruined by those beats I intend to make.

To make up for the recent warzone one, which, also came from my shazam list.

 

[2GooD Productions]

All I know, is my shazam has some absolute bangers I'm going to sample and fuck someone with.

And I hope its @2GooD Productions who gets absolutely fucked and ruined by those beats I intend to make.

To make up for the recent warzone one, which, also came from my shazam list.

That's the spirit

 

[attila]

Sampling a loop is fine, but I've always said that you should at least do something with it. It could be just chopping it up and rearranging it, or layering other stuff on top, whatever sounds dope. But like @Iron Keys said, it sucks to find out that some of the most famous Rap songs are just loops.

I see. I guess we are talking about weak songs. What I mean Is that there's not much more than a voice and a little of guitar over Isaac Hayes sample in Glory Box by Portishead. Still It Is a powerful masterpiece.

 

[2GooD Productions]

We cant all be Dj Premier

 

[2GooD Productions]

All I know, is my shazam has some absolute bangers I'm going to sample and fuck someone with.

And I hope its @2GooD Productions who gets absolutely fucked and ruined by those beats I intend to make.

To make up for the recent warzone one, which, also came from my shazam list.

Ive literally just stumbled into a goldmine of samples. Whenever you are ready

 

[Iron Keys]

We cant all be Dj Premier

He makes the most simple beats but they fucking bang.

Try that here (if you're not him), beat gonna sound half complete.

 

[Iron Keys]

Ive literally just stumbled into a goldmine of samples. Whenever you are ready

You've given me an idea

 

[2GooD Productions]

You've given me an idea

Been chipping away with my little pickaxe and its not just gold, its fucking diamonds too.

 

[Iron Keys]

Been chipping away with my little pickaxe and its not just gold, its fucking diamonds too.

Hope it actually turns out to be cubic zirconia rolled in dog shit

 

[2GooD Productions]

Hope it actually turns out to be cubic zirconia rolled in dog shit

When is battle that, I have found everything I need for the next one. Oh man, got the next 2 days off. Im making my retirement fund this weekend.

 

[Iron Keys]

When is battle that, I have found everything I need for the next one. Oh man, got the next 2 days off. Im making my retirement fund this weekend.

I was planning with the same in mind. Not that I even have the time or space for it. If I do tho. Probably get knocked out but some shit poorly made shit mixed beat in R2.