when overchopping destroys the loop...

[open mind]

yo i read this in an interview with 9th wonder i forgot the page.and he said that most of hiphop classic hits are straight sample loops.without choppin the shit out of it.straight loops.
most of my favorites hiphop tracks are not overchopped loops.think of your favorites track and iam sure itll be the same.sometimes u just gotta let it original instead of destroying them.

what ya all think of it?

 

[Ozmosis]

My theory, if you like the way it sounds, then go with it. Whether its a strait loop or chopped up. One of my favorite tracks is camp lo - Luchini, and when i went to that sample site that was posted on here a while ago. The whole song was a straight loop, with nothing added but some drums and piano.

 

[KEV31]

i agree that it can destroy the track and also cause with my beats. i'll chop them down quite a bit in recycle, but i usually end up loopin up a particular section. i dont like to have to many open spots in my beats

 

[bigdmakintrax]

yeah he is right to an extent but remember this, 9th is that dude of today that brought back that dope soul sound adding his own touch but all of his methods still come from the likes of Pete Rock and original hip hop innovators (not emulators), so I would do myself a favor and break out the classics and listen for yourself, not just what 9th wonder has said in an article...thats just IMO...its a mixture of both and also a straight loop does not always mean looped how you would think...stretching and pitching come into play where that loop will be nothing like the original and very hard to find where it came from....that would be in conflict with what a lot did then for lack of sample in machines time and having to go to tape (Fruity loops and computers make this soo little of a problem on a machine it was hell to go beyond simple loops without going to tape or doing something painstaking to get whole phrases etc) and also still at that time a lot of disguising the source was done too...so its what you want to do and how you want to make it....loops or your own created loops and btw I dunno If I would agree if overchopping destroys the loop, it's the inability to use your own creativity and ORIGINALITY to turn the chops into something HOT and go beyond having the loop intact to make it easy.

 

[Ash Holmz]

i been sayin this forever ... alot of people think the more they chop there beat the hotter it is or the better beatmaker they are ...thats bullshit ... sometimes chopping is the right thing to do .. other times its not .. sometimes all u need is a hot loop ... if u chop heavy make sure them shits is smooth .. i dont like to brag but people always think i loop certain stuff that i dont .. its cuz because i chop my shits precise and seamless so it doesnt really sound like its chopped... i hate when people make rough ass obvious chops where u can tell the cutoff point is all fuced up an shit ... it works with some tracks but not most...

bottom line make the shit hot ... if ur just fucin things up by chopping then dont

 

[bigdmakintrax]

make rough ass obvious chops where u can tell the cutoff point is all fuced up an shit ... it works with some tracks but not most...

bottom line make the shit hot ... if ur just fucin things up by chopping then dont

Yeah this is the part that makes or breaks the joint, seamless loops go a long way espcially if its not monotous.

 

[TheDeen]

Dilla's beats are a great example of all of the above. Sometimes he'd straight loop if it was hot as is, sometimes he'd chop it up real small, sometimes he'd take bits from all over a record and make them sound like a loop.

 

[classic]

Chopping dosent destory the loop, its how u chop, alot of times cats just aint got the skills so they fuck it up.. like holmz said u can chop the hell out of something but make it sound seamless...

 

[The Bastard]

c.r.e.a.m. enuff said, loops own hip hop

 

[DJ Excellence]

it's your role as a beatmaker/producer to determine wether or not you have to loop or chop.... just do whatever sounds better

 

[MarkN]

yes and no, you should produce with your ears not your mind, so its never about being anal or technical its about what sounds good, whether thats juts looping or chopping, the record buying public don't give a fuck how much time you spent timestretching and chopping a sample all they wanna know is .... is it hot ?

 

[NobleWordz]

Both looping and chopping is an art. As long as your end product sounds good, you're using the right technique.

~NW~

 

[Mantas]

loopin is cool if u're not overdoin it. a lot of cats loop. for example alchemist. check prodigy - legends. straight loop. no drums added, no melody changes, nothin. but its still dope. to each its own u know.

 

[RigorMortis]

there is no right way, just do what you want to, who fuckin cares...
off course the looping got less but thats because people were gettin sued there asses of hahaha. and even the bombsquad/pe got sued and they chopped almost everything. so a lot of people switched to synths or went playing in their music,,,
jus make music one way or another without even thinking is this right or is this wrong in ways of ethic or esthetics just do what you feel...
shit if i need to think about all that shit i wouldnt be making music i would be sueing all of yall and makin some real money for real!

 

[slik da relic]

i been sayin this forever ...if u chop heavy make sure them shits is smooth .. i dont like to brag but people always think i loop certain stuff that i dont .. its cuz because i chop my shits precise and seamless so it doesnt really sound like its chopped... i hate when people make rough ass obvious chops where u can tell the cutoff point is all fuced up an shit ... it works with some tracks but not most...

bottom line make the shit hot ... if ur just fucin things up by chopping then dont

i agree with this also... makes u think "MPC." when i used the MKS 100, and the S950, i looped like crazy... now, since i dont wanna clear samples, i chop it even if its a great loop... come to think of it, i dont even look for loops now... i just chop whatever.

da relic

 

[mono]

its a mixture of both and also a straight loop does not always mean looped how you would think

right, speaking of chopping or looping alone...these are just procedure. either way it comes down to how u flip your material. i got me this book, "making the beat", where, for instance, they compare premo's "playin yaself" beat to "players anthem"/junior mafia(playin yaself>playas anthem, does it strike s.o.?). both are the same sample, but premo realy carried it to the extreme with chopping and rearranging the loop. i like both tracks, but directly compared, premo made them look like amateurs.
i guess its like, back in the early to mid 90's, looping was the thing, simply because loads of unused breaks and loops were available and there was no reason not to do it. until people like premo stepped their game up and raised the bar.
from todays perspective, some of my favourite classics seem just 2 simple to me, otherwise,
looping, thats where it came from. but beats i got most respect for, are the heavily chopped ones; jeru-playin ya self, kazi-average, rasco-gunz still hot rmx or newer stuff, like pumpkinhead-rock on. such beats make a producer famous.
so nothing wrong about looping, but ... upper league is mastering both arts