This is something that's been on my mind for a very long time and I just wanted to see how other people felt about it.If you make the boom bap style of music and not crunk, snap ,hyphy or even the chipmunk soul joints ,is there any reason to even try to fit in with the mainstream? It's just crazy how the mainstream/industry type people try to make it SEEM like that sound is dated or is backpack music,can never be a hit etc. when the truth of the matter is people all over the WORLD LOVE that type of music and they always have.Its like people will listen to the radio all day ,but those artist and producers most likely will not go down as legends that people all over the world will say they were inspired by.I know you have to change with the times,and there is a need for something new,but come on now "Soldier Boy" ?? the whole beat is just 1 bar no breakdowns,changes or progressions whatsoever,forget that it was all keyboards or whatever.To all beatmakers/producers who make the so called real hip hop,If you just deal with people who you know go for that boom bap sound and build a fan base,theres no reason at all to try and fit in with what's going on today cause you can't.Why send a beat cd to some A&R who just placed beats for a Rick Ross or T-Pain song when you know your'e a Primo or Dilla fan ? Learn an instrument ,build your keyboard skills ,just step your game in general,but dont stop doing what YOU love. If your music has that soul when people hear it ,they will feel it regardless.
Whats the use ?
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Manji
ILLIEN
ill o.g.
I dont see what's wrong with soulja boy. dude is good at what he does and has a respectable huslte.
you can be a fan of both young jeezy and J dilla. yes, it's possible. (besides, j dilla rapped about fuckin bitches, getting money and smokin' blunts but people lump him in a "backpacker" category)
hip hop is about freedom of self expression. it's not about category's and niches. just work hard and make the music you love
you can be a fan of both young jeezy and J dilla. yes, it's possible. (besides, j dilla rapped about fuckin bitches, getting money and smokin' blunts but people lump him in a "backpacker" category)
hip hop is about freedom of self expression. it's not about category's and niches. just work hard and make the music you love
MGTheFuture
ILLIEN
ill o.g.
If you want to be a producer, you have to do some things you love and ALOT of things you dont.
Truth be told, boom bap and DANCE music (kanye) do alot better worldwide then lets say, Curtis.
So, instead of just narrowing it down , add up all the costs and goals and perspectives - and DO YOU.
I prefer to do all of it.... so i do it when its called.
Truth be told, boom bap and DANCE music (kanye) do alot better worldwide then lets say, Curtis.
So, instead of just narrowing it down , add up all the costs and goals and perspectives - and DO YOU.
I prefer to do all of it.... so i do it when its called.
Haze47
THE URBAN ARCHEOLOGIST
ill o.g.
it aint about money, or fame, it about making fucking sick ass tunes (not that ANYBODY on Illmuzik feeling the shit i do) <---------------but that mutherfucking proves it, taste is subjective, real hip hop aint real it is a fantasy held in everyone who feels its heart,
and fuck hip hop anyway
and fuck hip hop anyway
Your shit is dope Haze...stop talking out your anus! (lol) U do what you do and you do it well. It may not be what I listen to on a daily basis but anybody with an ear for music can't deny that your production skillz are grade "A". There's room for everything under the sun, I need to listen to your joints more to see if I can incorporate some of it into what I do!
eldiablo
KRACK HEAD
ill o.g.
aint that the truth! dont get me wrong i really aint feeling to much commercial shit at all. even so called heads will argue about this non-stop. whats real and whats not.. sounds like a bunch of old ladies bickering about whatever. i have never got into any of these arguments.... all i know is that "i am hip-hop"
haze's quote should be the illmuzik quote of the year!!!
Low G
ILLIEN
ill o.g.
This is no hustle for me it's just something I love to do... So I'll be dammned if I'm not gonna enjoy it... I'll do me %100 all the way till the very end. I'll keep an ear out for new stuff I think is dope and listn to all sorts of music but when I make music personally I'm gonna stick to exacly what I enjoy and in the end grow into a producer I can be proud of. If you feel me cool, If you don't feel me I guess I wasn't making the music for you... and Haze you got some dope tracks.
Peace.
Peace.
bigdmakintrax
BeatKreatoR
If you have a purpose, goals and focus then you make music that is acceptable by the masses, the masses won't need someone really that is going to grow on them over time, you need to make music with impact off the break especially if you are shopping music to someone that has orders to make some hot songs on albums and also has a budget to pay you for the joints, the ish has to stand out and most of all be good music!
What is good music? well you are going to get a lot of opinions on that because really some people do not immerse themselves at all in old rnb or old music to respect musicianship, but really to the millions that make a song a hit (the listeners and consumers) they don't really care about the history of the sample or how dope it is, the consumers do not buy instrumentals they buy songs that are complete with the emcee, the concept and most of all the infectious, effective hook!!!!!
By now you are wondering what does he know? well good music can span all the way from something as simple as Solja Boy or soulfull and rhythmic as The Isley Brother's Atlantis , it's all in the delivery to the audience, now would the Solja Boy audience identify or like The Isleys ?...well I will say hell yeah depends on the use, backseat or chillen wit the girl quiet storm music might be old or new skool but it prolly will do the job for setting a mood.
I think that too many people live in a box when it comes to their music but not always by choice if they are following what the industry might like because in a lot of ways the industry is in a box and will generally refuse anything that is too far out of bounds with the entire concept, it's sort of like gambling so they unfortunately play it safe and go with the same old thing, no matter if they tell you.(trust me I have played more than 50 or 60 beats over time for either majors or someone looking to place a song for me that have the ability..they tell you give me a song that is hot and I never heard or that is tomorrows sound...well they are not being truthful they would never do that LOL, how many hot songs are made that basically sound like another hot song thats been out or follow the template?...hell man I will say many, just the words might be different and the chords but a hot song will usually follow some tried and true combo of things, again it's not a rocket science.
But many don't go with what the big labels do, they go Indie and make music how ever they want or their hood will buy it, sort of how the South did when no one uptop wanted to hear it, but then when the soundscans and sales figures started coming in the big labels bit on it and then you know the rest of what has dominated the hip hop niche for almost 9 or more years!!!
I think that anyone can make a hot song if they apply themselves study enuff hits,or using some basic artistry by finding a catchy melody or a sample with a catchy phrase, finding an emcee that writes exceptionally well on hooks and verses and is able to do this spontaneously during sessions and easily write, start off with the simple backbone of the track maybe 8 bars of loop, then go from there, but the HOOk MUST always be catchy, something no matter how wack, it has to make at least some sense and once someone hears it they walk around all day going, damn I can't get that song out of my head and when they say it the people around them will start reciting and saying the same thing.....so what was the point of all of this? well the point is this, MAKE HOT MUSIC!!! no matter whether its down south, sampled ol skool Pete Rockish then to amplify your point FIND only the dopest artists to get on your joints, never release anything subpar and when you produce a joint make an impact! dont settle for less!!! don't do what others do is a very tempting thing but just because you dont do that doesn't mean its going to sell because the masses generally have their ears tuned to what they like, what they like is something for certain applications usually these 5 categories....all of the music you hear nowadays really falls into all of these.
THE CLUB
Bangin in the car or the crib
House Party
Quiet Storm music
Feel good music to pick you up or get you hyped any time(conscious music or poetry with messages, social awareness etc.
You can make almost any type of beat and depending on the mood and the emcee it can fit into any of the above, no matter whether it's simple, sampled or soulful and in some cases the wackest instrumental blessed with the genious lyrics and hook gone wild!!!
What is good music? well you are going to get a lot of opinions on that because really some people do not immerse themselves at all in old rnb or old music to respect musicianship, but really to the millions that make a song a hit (the listeners and consumers) they don't really care about the history of the sample or how dope it is, the consumers do not buy instrumentals they buy songs that are complete with the emcee, the concept and most of all the infectious, effective hook!!!!!
By now you are wondering what does he know? well good music can span all the way from something as simple as Solja Boy or soulfull and rhythmic as The Isley Brother's Atlantis , it's all in the delivery to the audience, now would the Solja Boy audience identify or like The Isleys ?...well I will say hell yeah depends on the use, backseat or chillen wit the girl quiet storm music might be old or new skool but it prolly will do the job for setting a mood.
I think that too many people live in a box when it comes to their music but not always by choice if they are following what the industry might like because in a lot of ways the industry is in a box and will generally refuse anything that is too far out of bounds with the entire concept, it's sort of like gambling so they unfortunately play it safe and go with the same old thing, no matter if they tell you.(trust me I have played more than 50 or 60 beats over time for either majors or someone looking to place a song for me that have the ability..they tell you give me a song that is hot and I never heard or that is tomorrows sound...well they are not being truthful they would never do that LOL, how many hot songs are made that basically sound like another hot song thats been out or follow the template?...hell man I will say many, just the words might be different and the chords but a hot song will usually follow some tried and true combo of things, again it's not a rocket science.
But many don't go with what the big labels do, they go Indie and make music how ever they want or their hood will buy it, sort of how the South did when no one uptop wanted to hear it, but then when the soundscans and sales figures started coming in the big labels bit on it and then you know the rest of what has dominated the hip hop niche for almost 9 or more years!!!
I think that anyone can make a hot song if they apply themselves study enuff hits,or using some basic artistry by finding a catchy melody or a sample with a catchy phrase, finding an emcee that writes exceptionally well on hooks and verses and is able to do this spontaneously during sessions and easily write, start off with the simple backbone of the track maybe 8 bars of loop, then go from there, but the HOOk MUST always be catchy, something no matter how wack, it has to make at least some sense and once someone hears it they walk around all day going, damn I can't get that song out of my head and when they say it the people around them will start reciting and saying the same thing.....so what was the point of all of this? well the point is this, MAKE HOT MUSIC!!! no matter whether its down south, sampled ol skool Pete Rockish then to amplify your point FIND only the dopest artists to get on your joints, never release anything subpar and when you produce a joint make an impact! dont settle for less!!! don't do what others do is a very tempting thing but just because you dont do that doesn't mean its going to sell because the masses generally have their ears tuned to what they like, what they like is something for certain applications usually these 5 categories....all of the music you hear nowadays really falls into all of these.
THE CLUB
Bangin in the car or the crib
House Party
Quiet Storm music
Feel good music to pick you up or get you hyped any time(conscious music or poetry with messages, social awareness etc.
You can make almost any type of beat and depending on the mood and the emcee it can fit into any of the above, no matter whether it's simple, sampled or soulful and in some cases the wackest instrumental blessed with the genious lyrics and hook gone wild!!!
I've heard some of your tracks and they bang,you make good music, but having to do alot of things you don't love, this is just not true. Lil John and Toomp are very nice with what they do , but nobody will ever tell them that they have to do some sample heavy joint to be more well rounded.The only type of beatmaker/producer that will hear that is one that's not doing the type of joints you hear on the radio.Why didn't that Hi-Tech album "The Chip " get more shine ? that's a perfect example of a producer branching out and expanding his whole style ,but keeping his dopest shit.You will get no love from the mainstream being that type of producer unless you are in a 9th Wonder type situation.So I ask ,whats the use ?
^^^ the use is the staisfaction u get by doing u. dont forget lil jon was grinding ten years strong before he blew up. Crunk was "underground" music at one time. he was always doing beats and crunk music it just took a minute for it to catch on into the phenomenon it became. If u have ur own style just keep at it. Find other artists that believe in ur vision and just grind. if your music can grab peoples attention, it wiill get some shine. BTW that hi-tek was dope but it was easily the worst project he put out imo. He has done better. It wasnt all that to me. A couple joints were straight fire, but most of the album sounded like filler tracks that didint make it to the respective artists' albums. I bumped it for about a week and moved on.
Formant024
Digital Smokerings
ill o.g.
follow your own impulses, be commercial than indeed do the lot, dont feel like selling out on yourself then be yourself and follow your own inspirational path... its that simple