what specs would i need to record via pc?

Cold Truth

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ok, i am crunching numbers and considering purchasing a computer, because teh low end multitrack i want costs $500.....and i know ican get a pc for about the same or less, and that would serve multiple purposes. so i am going against my long held disdain for computers here..........

so what kind of specs do i need here? what type of soundcard, how big should the hard drive be, things like that. giveabruthasomefeedback!!!

would this work?

Price: $179.00

Description:
Dell OptiPlex GX110 Micro Desktop
Features and Specs:

Space Saving Design, Full Performance
Intel Pentium III 667MHz CPU
128MB SDRAM (2 DIMM Slots, 512MB Max.)
40GB IDE Hard Drive
CD-ROM (Various Speeds)
1.44 Floppy Drive
Intel 2X AGP 4MB Onboard Video
Onboard Audio with Line In/Out/Mic
2 PCI Slots
2 PS/2 Ports
2 USB Ports
2 Serial Ports
1 Parallel Port
1 15-pin VGA Port
RJ-45 Onboard NIC
Power Cord
This is the system & power cord only (no OS/Drivers, etc.), it’s refurbished to Grade A condition and has a 90-day warranty.

how would this work for say, pro tools/cubase/etc..?
 
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drew_petti

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refurbished

make sure that the refurb has at least a 2-3 year warranty.

you need more ram, but that can be added for cheap. the pentium chip is about a year back, speed wise. Again, you can always upgrade.
as far as running those programs, check the specs on the box.. it should tell minimum requirements for each program.


otherwise, you should be straight.
 

Cold Truth

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srry copenhagen.. momentary lapse. i was actually about to fix that myself. so my next question is, does anyone have any suggestions for what type of software i should use, what type of interface should i use.... that wont break the bank to get... everything will be inconjunction with my mpc and motif rack. what type of software is good for both vocals and live instruments along with my hardware equipment? remember, i am looking for a recorder to record into, not a sequencer. would a basic mixer do the job? i really do know nothing about computer recording.
 

dacalion

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I'd say great price @ $179.00 but i dont think that 667MHz will be fast enuff for the internet in the next year or so, especially when WALMART is selling lower end computers that are 2GHz @ under $500.00. The 40 GB hard drive is OK {as long as you dont put alot of other stuff on it }. The RAM is way low and I dont think you can go over 512 with that processor speed {but I could be wrong}. And it being a DELL helps alot too. So if you are thinking about just using it for recording your music and NOT thinking of using it to access the internet for a long period then its not a bad deal.
 

light

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Looks like you want a new sound card or maybe a USB interface. if your not buying pro tools or somthing with its own hardware. A year ago i bought an audiophile 24/96 that sounds great, and id recomend that for a low-end/great-sounding peice of gear. http://www.midiman.net/products/m-audio/audiophile.php

Theres a cheap barringer mixer that i got a couple months ago. they have some new sort of mic pre amp that sounds huge. higer input levels or somthing like that. http://www.behringer.com/02_products/prodindex_ub.cfm?id=UB802&lang=eng

So with that mixer running into the sound card you should eliminate lots of weak links.

Make sure the hard drive turns at 7200rpm and is DMA capable.

The processor make and speed should be good for most of the applications.

Max out your ram as soon as monetarily possible.

Check out this site for configuring your PC: http://www.long-mcquade.com/index.asp?section=5&level2=5&level3=9&id=38

Seems like a good buy to me. you could have a full functioning computer for 500 bones...

Medium Pimpin!
 

Cold Truth

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hmmmm.... the more i think about it, i may just do everything within the software realm. i posted another thread regarding cubase... i was thinking of using this in place of my mpc and motif... and using the sampler plug in for it, because it reads emu and akai files.. besides that the plug ins are all fairly cheap and i will likely buy a better pc (how is 60 gigs and 512 ram??? should i find something with more ram, if i am using the computer for every aspect of production?) in the 500 range, refurbished of course. anyhow i like the plug ins i heard for cubase. so far i have heard just the guitar and strings, but arent there other plugs that i can use besides the ones stienberg makes? any how i am seriously toying with all this, because i have at least $1200 to go to finish up my current setup, and i could get $1500 easy for my motif and mpc, so if i sold my current setup, and took around $400 from a paycheck, and made some payments on a few extras.. i would have around $2600 to create a good pc rig. if i manage to get the pc for the $450 i am aiming for (with the specs i need) and $600 for the cubase software...and $400 for a good midi controller, and i still have $1150 for a good soundcard, some decent monitors and plug ins to get myself going. how does this sound? am i being realistic?
 

Cold Truth

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why? seriously, i would like some in depth feedback on this subject. is it personal taste, or am is there something i am not considering? i love my hardware! but there just seems to be so many more possibilities going the software route..
 

joeburnem

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Keep Your Hardware!

Yes, I guess it is personal taste. The only reasons I can offer are (as an older cat put it to me) hardware does exactly what you need it to do no questions ask! Second, he claims using hardware is going to come back in major way! And that I do believe. With new products like that MV 8000 and everybody and their mother (me included) on the hunt for S950's and SP 12's, I can really say keeping your hardware is the thing to do.
 

Cold Truth

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hmmmm.... that still doesnt cut it!!! i am not convinced. if i had the ends, i would simply use both. but all these new products are expensive, and while i do own an excellent core in my mpc and motif rack, it will still cost me $300 for a decent midi keyboard (semi wieghted, 88 keys is what i want) $220 for 8 outs on the mpc. $200 for the Mixer. plus an extra $500 for the recorder..... which alone costs more than what a pc will run me. plus i need a cd burner, which would come with the pc. i love the mpc, i love the motif, but when i am looking at another $1200 dollars... knowing that a computer does offer up more in the way of versatility and financial sense...... so thats why i wanted to know if there is something else i may not be looking at in all this. i could care less if hardware is "coming back" because i am pretty confidant that i can not only make my music just as good using software, it will be better because of the increased flexibility. no scsi port needed, no external burner needed, extra outputs to by, none of that.... so.... if anyone has a compelling argument outside of personal taste (bear in mind that i prefer harware by far)... i would like to hear it, because i wouldnt want to screw up an already powerful combo in my two main units. i just dont want to keep spending money to be up to speed when i know i have more sensible options.
 

joeburnem

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Well I think your mind is pretty made up. You are going to sell your hardware! You don't need suggestions for keeping. PC is what you're gonna do.
 

Cold Truth

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its not that my mind is made up..... all i want to know is if i maybe missing something. maybe i am assuming that i would have more than i actually would. its just that personal preference doesnt play a role here. i have said many times that i prefer my hardware over a pc any day of the week.... but a pc offers so much more, on the surface at least. i just want to know if i am not taking something into consideration, thats all. i posted a similar thread when i was going to replace my mpc with an mp-7, and i decided to keep my mpc after hearing various opinions that convinced me that it would be foolishness to make that swap. i just got my motif, and since my midi keyboard isnt exactly made to be a controller, i really havent began to make the most of it. i am getting pretty efficient with my mpc, which i have had for a year, and so the last thing i want is to have to relearn all that i have learned thus far on somthing else. so, am i missing something?
 

vitaminman

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Hey,

If someone is starting out I always suggest that they go the software route for a bunch of reasons:

1. Cheaper than hardware.
2. Often more powerful than hardware, this depends on the speed of your machine.
3. Soft synths integrate with most sequencers.
4. POWER in composing, editing, mixing and mastering.
5. There are more softwares being released than hardwares.
6. Easier to use.

But, if you ALREADY own hardware, you shouldn't give it up:

1. Hardware keeps its value a lot longer than software. Example: two 303's, an 808 and 909 in hardware will run you close to $4000 second hand; you can get the same in a program called Rebirth (Reason's daddy) for about $150 new, good luck selling it for more and $50 used nowadays.
2. Reliability. We've all had computers crash or run out of steam. Hardware RARELY crashes, I've only ever had samplers crash on me.
3. Uniqueness. Everybody and their mom runs Reason and Fruity Loops, but only a few people have the same hardware I do. Also, software can be copied, hardware cannot.
4. You can run hardware without a computer.
5. WOW factor. Nothing gets a girl to show me her rack faster than me showing her mine.
6. Synth manufacturers have been making sound banks for almost 20 years and know what they're doing; soft synths are still relatively new and most of them are simple analogue emulations, there are only a small handful of software sound modules (like SampleTank). You can hear the quality difference when you play a hardware synth over a software counterpart.
7. You can sequence and record audio from hardware on a slower machine because it doesn't require as much power to do MIDI and audio. It does take a lot of juice though to do MIDI, audio and softsynths on the same machine.
8. Compatibility. Because software is OS dependent, you are screwed if you decide to update your machine and the softsynth manufacturer decides not to release a compatible version. Perfect example: Emagic used to be a PC and Mac company, they made lots of great softwares which ran on both platforms. Right before Apple bought them they released a 'super' version of their sequencer and synths/sampler, which a lot of PC users bought. After the sale to Apple, Emagic canned all PC support, and now those PC users are left with software which they cannot upgrade in the future. You never have to worry about that with hardware.


To answer your question about the PC:

I can't believe that Dell is STILL selling the PIII, that thing is so old it hurts. I run a PIII 860mhz which I built over 3 years ago, it was getting long in the tooth then.

However, a PIII will be plenty to do sequencing, recording and some softsynths. My second record was recorded using audio, MIDI and some softsynths on a PII-350mhz back in 1999, the PIII should suit you fine.

40GB is plenty for audio recording, especially as you're just starting out. Drives drop in price every day, no need to get a huge one now as you won't be maxing it out for a very long time. Make sure though that it is an ATA 100 7200 RPM drive.

I try and stay away from anything 'integrated', in the past for me it has meant more conflicts and less quality, especially when it comes to sound cards.

I recommend that people get at least a 16x AGP video card when doing audio work, this way there is much less chance of the processor being used to handle the video work instead of the audio. I don't even know if you can still buy 16x cards, they're up to 128x + nowadays.

If you can, get more PCI slots. Figure that one of them will be used on your soundcard; that will leave you with only one more, and if you use it up, you won't be able to install anything else on your machine.

Make sure that your USB ports are v2.0, most USB hardware nowadays runs at that speed (40x times faster than v1.0), it would be a shame to get something like a scanner or soundcard that runs at 2.0 but you can't take advantage of the speed.

You will probably NEVER EVER use the serial and parallel ports unless you have older modems and printers. Some software dongles (hardware protection devices) plug in here, but most are moving to USB now.

No OS or drivers? Stay away from that machine. You'll still have to buy Windows (about $300) and find the drivers for that machine. Without drivers you'll have a hard time even turning it on, unless it will run with basic Windows drivers and allow you to update over the net. If you're buying it second hand from an individual, you may be able to get these from Dell, maybe even with a discount.

However, for $179 I would buy the machine if not to have as a second computer to do my non-music stuff.

512mb RAM is a TON of RAM, especially if you're running something like 98. My machine has 256mb and it suits me down to the ground.


Some more thoughts:

Why are you getting an 88 key controller? I mean, that's a LOT of keys, are you sure you really need that many? Is your Motif the keyboard or rack version?

If you get a computer, will you be sequencing with it or still using the MPC? Because if you're going to go the software route, SELL your MPC. My answering machine has a better sampler engine: you can get some pretty amazing rack hardware samplers (like the Yamaha A-5000 or Emu 6400 Turbo) for less than you can sell the MPC used. They will load your old Akai samples, by the way. That, or you can get a pretty good software sampler like Kontakt.

If you get a computer, you probably won'y need to get the 8-out option for the MPC as you'll probably be mixing on the computer.

Hardware is coming back? I should be so lucky...

Take care,

Nick
 

Cold Truth

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i was actually going tell sell both... the motif is the rack version.

How about this?
Celeron motherboard with a super-fast 2.4Ghz processor, 256MB DDR RAM, a 60GB hard drive, a CD-RW/DVD-ROM drive, and a 1.44 floppy drive. On the back they've got 3 PCI slots, 1 AMR port, 1 AGP (4x) as well as 6 USB 2.0 ports (2 side, 4 back), 1 9-pin serial com port, parallel printer port, integrated sound, integrated video, integrated network port, and PS2 mouse and keyboard ports. Of course you get an internet keyboard, wheel mouse, and a power cord. (w/monitor)

oh yeah... will the celeron be good enough, or should i spend the extra $100 for a Pentium 4? (this system is $500.)
 
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