Another site I visit has a sampling and digging section, and whenever I open up a topic like 'HOT ASS SAMPLE AND HOT FLIP!!!', the sample is dope, but their flip is just a looped section of the sample over and over with some average drums added. Everybody else in the topics are posting shit like 'Oh that's a nice flip, here's mine' and it's just the same but with different drums. I don't know if it's just me, but when I hear a flip I wanna hear something cool, not just something I could make in 5 minutes. Most of the flips don't even have any other simple elements like basslines. Just thought I'd share my mind.
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There are often some ill flips in the sampleflip section here.
There are some real talented cats here. That cant be said for all productions sites.
But to be honest people need sites that match their skill level.
I think illmuzik can be pretty daunting for the noob.
This is a more intermediate site, with a couple more advanced threads.
Its always when you take a step from one level to the next that you realize the shit you was making that you thought was all that, is actually pretty average to sub par.
I have had a few of these moments, joining ill was the main one.
I go back to beats I made just a few months ago and hate the way they sound(mixwise).
What seperates ill from a lot of these sites is not only the community but its honesty, and willingness to express it.
There are a couple well established professionals here and their advice is invaluable.
Anyway, everyone needs to start somewhere, seems they have found their spot.
They will move on and broaden their horizons as their musical skill develops.
There are some real talented cats here. That cant be said for all productions sites.
But to be honest people need sites that match their skill level.
I think illmuzik can be pretty daunting for the noob.
This is a more intermediate site, with a couple more advanced threads.
Its always when you take a step from one level to the next that you realize the shit you was making that you thought was all that, is actually pretty average to sub par.
I have had a few of these moments, joining ill was the main one.
I go back to beats I made just a few months ago and hate the way they sound(mixwise).
What seperates ill from a lot of these sites is not only the community but its honesty, and willingness to express it.
There are a couple well established professionals here and their advice is invaluable.
Anyway, everyone needs to start somewhere, seems they have found their spot.
They will move on and broaden their horizons as their musical skill develops.
You can say that again, most of these topics on here I still don't understand. I see what you're saying though, but this site I'm talking about has always seemed liked a well established site and well known. I guess like you say, it's more of a realisation based upon my own skills at this moment in time. Because I know how simple it is to just loop a sample now, it seems lazy.
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The Arkitekt
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Yea lol, when I came here, I didn't know shit... well I knew stuff but I was very noob. I'm still learnin a thing or two every week here.
I don't know about Illmuzik being "well known", theres not that many active users on here compared to the other forums at all. I look at Illmuzik like the underground forum, and like 2good says, its more an intermediate site, not too many noobs on here, they either learn very fast from being on the site, or theyre stupid and end up going to a different forum.
Lol yeah. I've stuck around cuz I'm not the sort of person to give in easily, if you're gonna do something you may aswell do it right.
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i feel u as well... when i check youtube for new beats, theyre mostly loops with nothin much added but drums... then i'll read comments and everyone's praisin the flip... im like, WTF???!!! lol... this is why u must differentiate urself from the others... its also why samplin has been gettin a bad rap vs composed music.
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Exactly. It makes beatmaking seem easy to the outside world.
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Well, to me, you can do a beat by just taking a sample and adding a drum to it... but by no means that beat should be considered revolutionary... I mean some of the classic beats we all know where made that way.
Now, if the sample is fiya just as is, well, the sample makes a good beat, not a good FLIP.
Now, if the sample is fiya just as is, well, the sample makes a good beat, not a good FLIP.
In my opinion, you really need to have a CRAZY drumline if you just loop a sample and stick some drums over the top.
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Griffin Avid
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Just as bad to add a million chops for the sake of doing something more.
In my opinion, you really need to have a CRAZY drumline if you just loop a sample and stick some drums over the top.
Why? Shouldn't I want "a CRAZY drumline " even I did a whole lotta choppin?
In my opinion, you really need to have a CRAZY drumline if you just loop a sample and stick some drums over the top.
Why? Shouldn't I want "a CRAZY drumline " even I did a whole lotta choppin?
Your chops gotta make sense...the have to make another melody sort of speak...or give you a slightly different feel from the original. Some cats chop just to show that they can used all the good peices of a song..which is unnecesary. I like to disguise my sample sometimes by adding other sounds to get a whole different feel.
Because if I put on a beat, and it's some loop with kick-hat-snare-hat-kick-hat/kick-snare then I'm not even gonna bother listening to it. I could get that sample and make that in 5 minutes and it's boring.
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The Arkitekt
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Yeah dude, but a crazy drum groove could also be made in 5 mins...
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And don't forget...sometimes the Drums (drum loop/break) are a sample too...
And using a sample brings up the Recognizable Paradox. You spent forever digging for 'the perfect sample' only to find it and have to disguise it so nobody else recognizes it. Or strain to use it in such a way that you wouldn't be doing what someone else might do.
That all approaches the Edge of producing for other producers. Really, what should you care what someone else thinks of how you make your music? When you're known or better yet, craft a huge record there will always be historians (and fans) who want to know all the juicy details. Trust me, you'll have a good story by then. Even if you used a simple loop as is- it'll be how far you went to get the record or all the things you tried that didn't work before the simple loop attempt.
Once you know The Hows it's no longer a magic trick.
Once you ONLY listen with your producer ear and analyze and take apart everything- nothing is impressive. We all tend to forget that the end result is what's most important.
And using a sample brings up the Recognizable Paradox. You spent forever digging for 'the perfect sample' only to find it and have to disguise it so nobody else recognizes it. Or strain to use it in such a way that you wouldn't be doing what someone else might do.
That all approaches the Edge of producing for other producers. Really, what should you care what someone else thinks of how you make your music? When you're known or better yet, craft a huge record there will always be historians (and fans) who want to know all the juicy details. Trust me, you'll have a good story by then. Even if you used a simple loop as is- it'll be how far you went to get the record or all the things you tried that didn't work before the simple loop attempt.
Once you know The Hows it's no longer a magic trick.
Once you ONLY listen with your producer ear and analyze and take apart everything- nothing is impressive. We all tend to forget that the end result is what's most important.
Biter!
Remember that word?
Back in the day it wasn't about composing alot over a sample. imo it was more about digging up a jewel that NO ONE had used before, dropping a DOPE drum track over it and "bam", you were the SHIT. Anybody else who touched that sample after you was a (say it with me now) BITER? Back in the day you did not want that word attached to anything about you. Beat wise or lyrical wise! REMBEMBER?
Remember that word?
Back in the day it wasn't about composing alot over a sample. imo it was more about digging up a jewel that NO ONE had used before, dropping a DOPE drum track over it and "bam", you were the SHIT. Anybody else who touched that sample after you was a (say it with me now) BITER? Back in the day you did not want that word attached to anything about you. Beat wise or lyrical wise! REMBEMBER?
i def remember that period...thats what kept shit original...but hey...like you said those times are gone and never coming back...i guess bitting in a sense is encouraged nowadays. If a cats comes up with a rare unheard sample and flips it...he might get a lil props, but the next cat that flips the same sample a lil better gets more props (for biting in a sense). The originator gets no more props for originality because the originator is overshadowed by a better version of what someone else came up with...like salaam remi flip that sample for nas on his last double album (forget the name of the album right now, but the song name is "theif's theme") but a couple years later will.i.am flips the same sample...speeds it up a lil bit and it ends up getting radio play this time around...salaam remi's flip is not really forgotten but he got overshadowed by will.i.am flip...even though salaam remi was the first to flip it. For you to bite someone nowadays...you just gotta str8 up plagerize shit, while biting back in the day was considered just taking a lil peice of the original idea and building off of it, so a cat really had to come with something original to be respected.