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trez260 said:
I'm not sure if you're talking about sound quality or ease of use or what here, but regardless I'm gonna have to call bullshit on this one.
Unless you are some crazy audiophile (I'm talking about the guys that spend $15,000 on speaker cables because is lowers the noice floor by 0.1 db...retards), then really you're not gonna hear the difference. All of us on here are accustomed to listening to mp3's and digital music, that's just a fact. I will send a cheque to anyone on here that actually thinks they can tell the difference between a beat done on an mpc and a beat done in FL or Pro Tools or any other software combinations.
Bottom line, the software/hardware arguement comes down to this, personal comfort. If you're quick and comfortable on an mpc, then that's gonna be your tool of choice. It's not better or worse than anything else, just different. Same goes for the software guys. In the end, it's ALL going into Pro Tools and it's ALL turning into digital 1's and 0's. That's undenyable. Hopefully this will dead this and all future threads about hardware vs. software lol
I am a hardware person but of course software is a neccesity as well.
Nice thread Money.
I think I get frustrated because software cats can crank out 4 beats a minute while I plug away at a trak a day or every 4 depending on whats going on.
Then there are the writing sessions and the mixing sessions between beats.
Money welcome to my world as well as all those that are new to hardware.
LONG LIVE THE HARDWARE!!! LOL!
Nice thread Money.
I think I get frustrated because software cats can crank out 4 beats a minute while I plug away at a trak a day or every 4 depending on whats going on.
Then there are the writing sessions and the mixing sessions between beats.
Money welcome to my world as well as all those that are new to hardware.
LONG LIVE THE HARDWARE!!! LOL!
trez260
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djswivel said:
not trying to make an argument, but i've notice difference between what's been soley on software and what's been done with hardware. it's not something that can notice all the time(different people,different skill level, different results). but there's a difference between point and clicking, and actually pressing some buttons,turning some knobs, and hitting some pads. someone who plays an instrument will neither hardware of software can compare to actually playing the keys, the strings, the riffs,etc. none compare to actually playin the instruments, true, but interms of hardware and software, i find hardware a lil more organic than software. true enough at the end, in most cases, what you've created does go into a recording software, but we're talkin bout the creative process itself. call it bullshit if you want, but point and clicking will never have the same feel as turning knobs and hittin pad, which neither will match playin the actual instruments. if software is your nitch, so be it. but the differences are there. Peace.
trez260 said:
I'm not talking about point and clicking. Those producers need to step their game up or get out. BUT, the general classification between software and hardware in the beat making world is where the sounds come from. Someone using a software to get their sounds, can still trigger those sounds from a controller keybaord, or controller pads etc, and also control different aspects of sounds with knobs and faders built into the controller midi devices. I would still classify them as software producers. Does that make it less organic though?? I don't think so...
i think the main thing that would make your beats sound diff is hardware sequencer/software sequencer, i use midi controllers, pads and keys in my beats, but im sure they would sound a lot different if i was using a hardware sequencer, without being able to see everything on a moniter. i like software cus i can like see what i like with the keys and pads and then lay that down, then copy and paste and get more intricate n shit wiht the mouse, so i think my sound would be a lot different if i was forced to use the only pads for everyhting
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djswivel said:
and the controllers may only be the exception to point that i'm making. it's something about having a sound at fingertips(ref kev brown vid, pete rock vid, and 20syl vid), allowing room for human error, which gives leadway to discovering something new (a happy mistake so to speak). keep in mind, my comments are based my own personal experience, it's not a rule or law of any sort. when i first started making beats, i used software only and this is not my "production only" pc. so aside from looking at a 15 monitor of stuff (knowing i'm not gonna use everything that i'm looking, plus i work on a pc 10hrs a day at work, after a while, my eyes arent feelin it) and the occasional email pop up and im, shit can get a lil distracting(all taken into consideration some cats here may have pc dedicated to production so these interuptions that speak of is never an issue). give me a system that gives me what i need, when i need it, if i need more, it's flexible enough to handle that demand when need be. that's how i look at hardware over software, but that's my own personal opinoin and what i'm comfortable with, some might be in heaven being able to "bang out 15 beats a day and while answering IM and checking email"..to each his own. the work that i make requires a lil more attention and lil more time than that in most cases. give me what i need without anything more until i call upon it, once i'm done and need to record it, then i'll use a recording software for that purpose. i 'm not tryin to debate or argue software over hardware, but from what i've experience and what from i've seen from others, there's definitely a labor or love there(hitting the pads,keys, buttons, knobs, that i havent really seen from software based producers. take it for what you want. Peace.
Formant024
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the hands move quicker than a mouse, a real knob is always there it wont dissappear if you start fiddling with another machine, ears not eyes, computed algorhytmns vs the real deal electronics or acoustics.
I mean, basicaly a pc does multitracking or sequencing, emulation is becoming better but there's still a lot a daw can not compute without gaining anomalies.
I mean, basicaly a pc does multitracking or sequencing, emulation is becoming better but there's still a lot a daw can not compute without gaining anomalies.
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Relic said:
Ya, i have to say without some software my MPC would be almost usless. But ya on the other hand, Im loving this MP, is my new wife. mwahah.
Cold Truth
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honestly, taht work flow thing has nothing to do with the setup- it has to do with familiarity.
honestly, alot of this is cellular muscle memory. yeah that sounds odd, but its been two years plus since i sold my mp and went to cubase, and i stepped to an mp a few months ago and went right to work as if i never missed a day. now i speak fluent mpc and cubase, lol. my hand instinctively go to certain spots, hit certain buttons or keys, just out of habit. familiarity breeds workflow.
honestly, alot of this is cellular muscle memory. yeah that sounds odd, but its been two years plus since i sold my mp and went to cubase, and i stepped to an mp a few months ago and went right to work as if i never missed a day. now i speak fluent mpc and cubase, lol. my hand instinctively go to certain spots, hit certain buttons or keys, just out of habit. familiarity breeds workflow.
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Cold Truth said:
Thats seems to be the best explaination i've hurd yet.
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Just because a person is using software doesnt automatically mean that they are capabable of making inhuman amounts of beats per day or they take any less care or attention with it.
It seems like some people in this thread have gear envy or something like that.
Ama agree wit mark and and swivel, use whatever your most comfortable with and its not a race
It seems like some people in this thread have gear envy or something like that.
Ama agree wit mark and and swivel, use whatever your most comfortable with and its not a race
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A B said:
I'm also gonna cosign on that notion. Initially, I was more comfortable on hardware 'cause the first beats I had ever done were on my old Alesis HR16-B. The moment I hooked it up to my Atari 520ST and fired up the little 8-trak sequencer I had for it, shit changed permanantly. Being able to edit my drum patterns visually instead of by ear allowed me to work faster and, ultimately, better. Granted, I had become something of a beast with the step sequencer in the HR16 (I could manually program swing in my patterns step by step among other things), but using my ST sequencer allowed me to see the whole pattern AND finely tune the feel of the beat.
I DID keep hardware around for the longest. I had a pretty nice rig all the way up to 2002 when I decided that virtual instruments had come far enough for me to finally lose the hardware.
That's not to say that I havent owned a hardware sequencer or two in my day. I had done live techno at a couple of underground gigs using two Alesis MMT-8's, my Roland R8mkII and some other outboard gear and eventually I ditched those sequencers for a Kawai Q80EX and Roland MC50mkII for my live rig.
I sold MI gear for a few years too. I completely fell in love with the Ensoniq ASR-X's sequencer (well, once they issued the ROM upgrade for it anyways) and tried to get everyone interested in an MPC to look at it. I tried to push one on Disco D, but he was dead set on the MPC2000 (which he used to release his first few Ghettotech records).
MPC's are selling for a reason. For some, that's the best way for them to work. For others, it's software, FL Studio ain't exactly sittin on the shelves collectin dust. Pick your tool, master it, and make good music with it.
Cold Truth
IllMuzik Moderator
soo... this is essentail the exact same hardware vs software discussion we have had a gazillion times over now?
5th Sequence
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lol man these debates won't ever die. I totally agree with cold truth about the cellular whatever the hell. Thats the truth!! whatever it was lol. Too lazy to scroll up at this point but thats what it comes down to. when I first got Sonar 3 for recording vocals it would take me forever to get things set up for recording and I didn't know how to work anything. Now all of the hot keys are second hand to me. They are second hand to me in FL and in audition as well. My work flow is improved 10 fold since I first had the stuff it just took time to "get familiar".
I think the key for everybody is getting a setup that they are comfortable in but mainly one that can keep up with their mind. If a hardware guy has an amazing idea and tries to bang it out in software, you just know that shits not gonna happen. Hardware guy is now doing this :badpc:. Samething thing vice versa.
I think the key for everybody is getting a setup that they are comfortable in but mainly one that can keep up with their mind. If a hardware guy has an amazing idea and tries to bang it out in software, you just know that shits not gonna happen. Hardware guy is now doing this :badpc:. Samething thing vice versa.
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open mind
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i dont konw who said it but its not what u use what counts its the result that counts! for me iam a use a combo of hardware and software
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abstractnoize
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Just remember fans don´t go to the record store and be like "am not buying this record coz it wasn´t done on an mpc/hardware/software etc" Just make it bang!
Hardware can be hard to get accustomed too I guess coz your forced to use your hearing senses more as opposed to software where your eyes help level the field.
I guess it´s like going completley blind and told to start learning to walk your way to school and back everyday. At least that is how it was for me. No flashy screens, I just had to listen a lot to what I was playing. I love them both though. Still mediocre in their use but am getting there.
Hardware can be hard to get accustomed too I guess coz your forced to use your hearing senses more as opposed to software where your eyes help level the field.
I guess it´s like going completley blind and told to start learning to walk your way to school and back everyday. At least that is how it was for me. No flashy screens, I just had to listen a lot to what I was playing. I love them both though. Still mediocre in their use but am getting there.