So We're Opening for WC on June 3rd

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Kontents

I like Gearslutz
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 5
They try that shit here too, thats one thing that bugs the shit out of me because its BS, if your good enuff to play then you shouldnt have to fuckin pay.
I know there was alot of that going on in Cali, it's moved here too.
SMH , promoters..

Yea but they want to make something from it for putting on a person who isn't industry known. Its kinda like collateral you know. Just in case things aren't what they seem and they get a joke for the show (not Vice or Cold obviously) then they get some money from it. In the positive aspects from it. 300 for a spot with the possibility of getting a network connect for more shows or possibly an investor. I say...

Its hard out here for a pimp... gotta get this money for the rent, all the cadillac gas money spent..
 

God

Creator of the Universe
ill o.g.
The show is actually on TUESDAY JUNE 3rd. 21 and OVER.

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So this is what went down.

It turns out that we have to pay $300.00 to secure a spot as one of the opening acts.. The guy basically told Cold that he only wanted people that are willing to hustle to get on... There are going to be major opportunities here, and they are expecting a crowd of almost 1000 heads.....

but does this sound right, or are they just jerking us around? Has anyone on here ever paid to perform somewhere?

either way, we started taking donations from family and friends....and in just one day got about $180.00. So the money ain't an issue now, but I was just curious as to whether anyone has heard of this type of thing before....

anyone in the Cali area, come out and support though!! I'll def post up video and pics when it's all said and done.

My how WC's stock has fallen when people have to pay-to-play to open up for him. Before he could secure a minor act off DefJam.

Dude, the promoter is hustling you. Let me entertain you with a true story of how an opening act is found from the very bottom of the barrel, and how they make their way up.

There was a band I know very well that played a smalltime concert set up by some local promoter a long time ago. The promoter listened to demos submitted to him. From the demos he selected the best bands. Then, the promoter called each band and set up a time where he could SEE the each band practice (at their house, rehearsal space, wherever.) After going through this process, he screened the band based on music and stage presence.

The bands he liked best were booked for the concert.

Now, the promoter worked in conjunction with the venue -- who has THEIR own promoters for bigger shows.

My friend's band played the smalltime concert. All of a sudden, a couple days later - the bigger promoter that runs shows for the VENUE (not the smalltime cat) asked my friend's band if they would open up for A NATIONAL ACT THAT YOU PROBABLY HEARD OF.

How the fuck did this happen? Well, the venue promoter is scouting the shows of the bullshit promoters for acts to open up for his shows. My friend's band was video taped without even knowing it. They had awesome stage presence and had exactly what the promoter was looking for.

So -- my friend's band played for the NATIONAL ACT. A bigger promoter from a LiveNation affiliate was there. He liked my friend's act and now the band got "promoted" to open for HUGE FUCKING BANDS that were being presented by LiveNation. From that point on, they built contacts, created relationships and got signed. The whole process took them about 8 months - 1 year.

That's how you come up.

Paying to play is bullshit. You probably will end up doing it because you don't want to pass up the "opportunity" but the promoter is the one being opportunistic. You will backwards rationalize on why your decision is/was justified (it's a good deal, it's just collateral money, it's worth a shot, why not?).

Real promoters don't charge bands to open up for them because they try to recruit good acts so they throw good shows that people want to see. Real promoters make money off tickets sold -- not by being paid by hopeful artists.

He's doing the whole "selling the dream to the dreamers" -- for a price. Any "industry heads" that are there will see you guys as gullible cats and you will demonstrate lower value. Example:

"Who's that opening act?"
"Some cats that paid to open up for WC."
"Lol. Pay to open up for WC, that's a fucking joke -- WC should be paying them-- he hasn't done shit in years."
"Smart promoter."

Just be logical in your decision, you were warned. If nothing comes of it, at least you get to practice stage presence in front of a big crowd. It'll become addictive.
 

Vice

9ine 2o 5ive Live
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 71
yeah, I really really don't like one of the promoters. He has been cool and all, it's just he's one of those dudes that tries the Non Stop Hustle... Like when I talked to him on the phone for the first time, he tried to sell me bottles of Hennessy for $20.00.

This turn of events got my mind going into hustle mode...

So I came up with a plan and actually got all of our "Fans" Which right now consist of mainly family and friends and a few internet sources and started a Donation Fund. Basically those that have heard our music kicked down most of the money and by the next day we had enough money to pay these guys. So overall, we didn't pay anything out of pocket.

I guess they are going to be doing this every Tuesday after this show, and call it "Celebrity Tuesdays"

The promoters partner is mad cool though, he was the one who wanted to let us on at no charge. I figure we got the spot, and now we need to capitalize on the opportunity by either Making our performance as memorable as can be, or using this as practice like you said.
 

God

Creator of the Universe
ill o.g.
yeah, I really really don't like one of the promoters. He has been cool and all, it's just he's one of those dudes that tries the Non Stop Hustle... Like when I talked to him on the phone for the first time, he tried to sell me bottles of Hennessy for $20.00.

Fuck the acronym - LAUGH MY FUCKING ASS OFF -- I have seen, worked and know tools like the promoter you're talking about. My god, he's kind of like the "manager" I outlined in my "find an investor" post in the Industry section. At least you don't have stars in your eyes and are aware that he is in fact hustling you. I guess you managed it by deflecting the cost to your fans.

The thing is -- why don't you do a show for your fans (after this) as a "thank you." Hold it in someone's backyard, buy some drinks, do a barbecue and "thank" them for being your fans. They'll love you for it and will be more open to giving you "donations" in the future.

This kind of got me riled up cuz it's the "Good Cop/Bad Cop" method being blatantly done straight up in your face. This is done every fucking day in LA:
The promoters partner is mad cool though, he was the one who wanted to let us on at no charge. I figure we got the spot, and now we need to capitalize on the opportunity by either Making our performance as memorable as can be, or using this as practice like you said.

The promoter's partner is "mad cool" because he put you into a situation which he didn't tell you that you needed to pay? He got you to commit first. You committed, by committing -- you're already invested, so he can have his partner lowball you. Which is what happened. You guys got hyped up to do the show, told people about it and then -- uh, oh, "bad cop" (his partner) tells you that you need to pay. Were you going to back out? It's classic, dude. Just be aware of it -- you don't have to stop being friends with the guy, but see if this same scheme acts out with other cats. I bet they had a couple bands they were hustling.

Anyway, kick ass and throw the show of your life.
 

Vice

9ine 2o 5ive Live
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 71
Fuck the acronym - LAUGH MY FUCKING ASS OFF -- I have seen, worked and know tools like the promoter you're talking about. My god, he's kind of like the "manager" I outlined in my "find an investor" post in the Industry section. At least you don't have stars in your eyes and are aware that he is in fact hustling you. I guess you managed it by deflecting the cost to your fans.

The thing is -- why don't you do a show for your fans (after this) as a "thank you." Hold it in someone's backyard, buy some drinks, do a barbecue and "thank" them for being your fans. They'll love you for it and will be more open to giving you "donations" in the future.

This kind of got me riled up cuz it's the "Good Cop/Bad Cop" method being blatantly done straight up in your face. This is done every fucking day in LA:


The promoter's partner is "mad cool" because he put you into a situation which he didn't tell you that you needed to pay? He got you to commit first. You committed, by committing -- you're already invested, so he can have his partner lowball you. Which is what happened. You guys got hyped up to do the show, told people about it and then -- uh, oh, "bad cop" (his partner) tells you that you need to pay. Were you going to back out? It's classic, dude. Just be aware of it -- you don't have to stop being friends with the guy, but see if this same scheme acts out with other cats. I bet they had a couple bands they were hustling.

Anyway, kick ass and throw the show of your life.

yo man, I appreciate the response GOD...that's a good look man. I'll def have some footage of the show, and if all goes as planned it will be well worth it.
 

Vice

9ine 2o 5ive Live
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 71
I fixed the thread title so it matches the actual date.

yo thanks man! And thanks to whoever fixed my misspelling of WC's name..lol I was typing fast and wrote Dub-C...

You going to make it out Kontents?? I been wanting to meet up with some ill Fam in person.... Like Sanova, SpanishHarlem, Agent Smith, J Rilla, Lucky Luciano, and Manguino.... If I left anyone out don't feel bad, this was just the ones off the top I know are from Cali.
 

Vice

9ine 2o 5ive Live
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 71
So here is what went down........

basically we got there at 8, and were told we would be performing at 10:30 or 10:45...so the sound check went great....the sound guy was cool as hell the dj's were cool people....we were all pumped and ready to go. So 10:45 comes around and nothing...it gets later and later and still nothing.

All of a sudden WC's people came and started announcing he was in the house and he'd be up in like 15 minutes. So i thought they would be calling us up right then. NO. Didn't happen. By this time the crowd is getting pissed off and chanting "WE WANT DUB C" So I hit the promoter dude up and asked him when we were going on....he said he was working it out, and he would get back to me. He came back and said you guys are going on at 12:15. It was 11:45 at this time. When dude said that, I was expecting to get called on the stage, or whatever...get announced. Didn't happen. At 12:20 I found the promoter and he was like, "why aren't you guys on yet?" all angry like it was our fault...I told him nobody called us up. He was like " man you guys only got 10 minutes now, you shoulda been up there"......(this guy is a bitch by the way..lol) So I went to go tell the sound guy to start our shit, because I guess that was our job....but dude was in the bathroom...lol. There was some girl in the booth like " He'll be back in a couple minutes"......
The Dj said get him the cd and he'll start our set, so I got the cd from the sound guy finally (which was a mistake) and gave it to the Dj. The other Dj started to announce us and we were ready to go....all good right? WRONG!..lol
the sound quality was not half as good as the rehearsal, and the mics weren't even up all the way. The monitors were turned down so we couldn't hear ourselves.....man, it was hectic.

So we still started the show and wen't on to do our thing....the problem is the people had the Blankest look on there face...LMAO. I swear man, I felt so unwanted. Which wasn't our fault, those Bastards made these people wait like 3hours and kept saying WC was going to be up in 15 minutes...every god damn 30 minutes..lol. They also kept everyone in line until past 10:30, so they wouldn't get the penny drinks that ended at 10:00<--------sneaky bastards.

So they kinda responded well to our first track, Cold did his thang and I did mine.....They applauded when we finished the first song, but I don't know if it was because cats were feeling it or if it was because they thought we were done..lol. Anyways, midway through the second song you could hear the WC chants, and also these bitches in the front row were giving the "cut em off" sign......man..Towards the end of the second song I seen some shit starting to get thrown towards the stage...like some paper or something...

So when the song ended I told the DJ to cut the last song and we were done. I wasn't trying to get boo'd the fuck off stage and for real these people were at that point.... They wanted one thing and one thing only....Wack ass WC.

after we get off stage alotta people said we did a good job and whatever, but you just know....It didn't go as planned.
At least Dub fucked up like twice and they had to restart his shit.....because the sound was wack..... If we woulda stuck with the sound guy I think we woulda got a better response...but oh well what can you do?

That's my adventure for the night, and I will def be waaaay more prepared next time....

Goodnight...
 

Fade

The Beat Strangler
Administrator
illest o.g.
Daaaaaam that really sucks! I have no idea why rap shows are always late, I mean ALWAYS late. I think you would have had the crowd on your side if you had of gone up and said something like "They made us wait just as long as you guys, we've been waiting 2 hours to go on, now they tell us we got 10 minutes, fuck this shit let's do this!". Maybe it would have got them on your side or at least pump them up a bit.

Either way, it's really shitty how that went down.
 

Ash Holmz

The Bed-Stuy Fly Guy
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 207
take it as a learning experience .. thats all u can do...i will tell u this though, all those tactics (starting late,holding people at the door, announcing his name evry 15...etc) are common practices that just about any promoter uses. Just know that for next time so u r prepared. I respect u guys for doin ur thing tho.. thats wassup fo real. and dont worry about the blank stare thing .. its rare that the opener gets any love ... think about a show youve been to with a no name opening act. did u pay attention to them? or were u screaming for who u paid money to see? Exactly.. its common .. just continue to grind and do u ur thing.
 
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