regular BPM Technic or double BPM Technic?

[open mind]

tell your settings! normal BPM settings for a 90BPM beat or do u double it to 180 BPM? for a 90th beat.if u double your speed plz tell why u think its better doing so.i hear this a lot from dudes that do dirty south shit, but also other cats do it.i heard that if u double your normal bpm then the drums has more energy or sumtin.share your knowledge.

its not about the general speed in rap. iam talking about the TECHNIC u use!

u double it or use regular bpm settings?
it would be nice if u say also why u prefer a particular setting.thanks 4 sharing knowledge.

right now i use the regular bpm settings because iam just more used to it.for example if i want to do a 90bpm beat i set it to 90 not to 180.but i found out that if i double the speed and change the pattern so that it sounds like a 90bmp beat that the drums sounds better for real but i dunno why.anyone knows?

 

[nonie]

I double it cuz to me, it gives you more space to work with everything especially for people that compose (I haven't tried sampling in double, but I've heard it's cool to double it with sampling too. I know Nomics does). You're right about the drums, in 180 for example, it gives more space to get funky with it ya know? To mess with the hi-hat pattern, kick, snare, percussion, etc. It's all about personal appeal, but I basically prefer to double it cuz it gives me more space and freedom to work with an idea.

 

[Elgen]

i use regular bpm, cos i prefer the old boom bap kinda sound, so im not big into freakin my hats n stuff right now, and if i do, i just zoom my sequencer view in

 

[5th Sequence]

I double it. In FL it allows me more room to get intricate on things. I just like the layout better as well, just more comfortable for me.

**this is another reason why i'm terrible at collaborations. The other person I work with doesnt get how to work it or I cant work as effectively in the regular mode.

 

[samuelock]

hmm for some of my beats i use double, and some i use regular. it depends if i want to get more complex or not.

 

[djswivel]

Getting complex is not a reason to double. The MIDI language allows from some stupid number of ticks per bar, more than anyone on here is ever gonna use. so theres no need to double. It doesn't make any sense to me. All midi sequencers nowadays can support you zooming in and placing 1/64th notes to grid, or even higher. Plus you can turn your grid off and then the midi notes can flow freely within the grid to the tick points. And theres something like 3000+ tick points in a bar. (dont quote me on that, but its in that range)

And using the double BPM so you don't have to zoom in so far doesnt really make sense either, because then in order to have the same sized view you normally would, you just have to zoom out further!! lol...

The ONLY reason I can understand is, some people just like hearing the metronome faster, as double speed, to help keep better time. Generally I find this to be people who aren't that great with counting time or arent as coordinated enough to keep proper time with a slower metronome. Of coruse that's not always the case, but in my past experience, its usually beginners who use double speed...

 

[bigdmakintrax]

If I am programming on my gear and I want fast hats 32nd's, triplets etc I use it when I want to use my good ol beat repeat to add in the hi hats.....its also useful if I use a software grid sequencer for complex percussion and rolls, the kick and snare will be naturally subdivided to the halved bpm, I have been doing this ever since I had my sp12 & 1200 though and it just matters when and what I am planning on doing with my drum sequence to add life(shakers, congas and other percussion i might use to add extra in the background...for some straight ol skool hip hop etc I dont do a lot of doubling though...
here was a thread on dirty south
https://www.illmuzik.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7689&highlight=double+bpm

I know that if you listen to to the hats on a dirty south track you get the impression and temptation to tap a beat out at a higher bpm than most would expect, and if you dissect and try to recreate you gonna wonder how come it sounds like a fast track but the track on the whole is probably at a higher or double bpm with you hear the kick and snare fall on a normal bpm tap out and if you took the hats out one of those typical sequences especially with that bounce, tempo would appear much slower...thats my thoughts.

 

[sYgMa]

I double sometimes. Like the others said, it's to have more space to compose, for instruments and percussion (specially the hi hat...). thing is, I dont use a midi controller much... and I know I could change the settings of the piano roll, but it's easier to double the bpm... and use 8/4 time signature...

 

[5th Sequence]

Swivel, you're right in the sense that it gives you no actual advantage over regular bpm. I do it because its easier to not have to mess with the zoom settings at all when arranging things. I don't know what its like using any other mediums of beat making besides FL so I can't say what its like for them, but in FL its just easier to see things.

I completely disagree with it being mainly beginners that use it though! I used it when I was no where near a beginners stage and from other decent producers around my way, we all found out we use double bpms. Never asked anyone why, but it just felt easier for me to see things with more space around it. Like you said though the zoom could probably do the same thing but i never messed with that. I think in terms of getting a live feel when manually moving notes the double bpm would be of an advantage. Unless zoom does all of that guess I never messed with it to find out.

 

[ALLEYCAT]

For me it really depends on the type of track i'm trying to create, I agree with bigrob by doubling the bpm it seems to let me put a little more swing on the drum track. just my opinion.

 

[KurtisRich]

I use regular bpm on the mpc cuz i can always fuck around with hi hats snares etc. with the t.c

 

[MarkN]

its much easier if you want o program complex drum patterns on sumthing like a re:drum but ive never found doubling much use for anything else !

 

[bigdmakintrax]

The only logic behind it really is that it increases the resolution of the space that you can work in, thats just the pure and simple reason why anyone uses this method, as above there are other solutions to the problem....easiest proof is if you use the paint tool in Fruity loops or another grid sequencer in 1bar, doubling the bpm will increase the frequency of the hats hitting in that short time period as, increasing the beats per measure thru the time signature from the 4/4 (4 beats in a measure), 8/4 (8 beats in a measure), 16/4(16 beats in a measure) its all math LOL....it has a use most definitely unless you are just happy with everything in 4/4 and not wanting anything hitting at higher res in your track you will have to find other ways, or if you got drumming skills I'm a drummer so this was my first reason for doing it ...Sygma touched on the same element of it adding more space to work in also.... if you have drumming skills you can hand bang your pattern on an mpc and let it correct any timing, quantization differences automatically.

 

[Vince]

i don't 'click' my drums on a step sequencer, so i don't really need the double amount of bpm to experiment with my drums. the piano roll in FL gives you alot of freedom to do whatever you want, in regular bpm as well.

 

[eXampuL_oNe]

I use normal BPM. Sometimes I will double the bpm but I only do that very rarely. I used to do it all the time though when I was just getting back into FL. The only thing is though that some of the drum programming doesn't sound the same. Like when you double the tempo and use the swing feature. It doesn't seem to work as well as when you use the normal tempo.

 

[dahkter]

Big D hit the nail on the head:

"The only logic behind it really is that it increases the resolution of the space that you can work in, thats just the pure and simple reason why anyone uses this method, as above there are other solutions to the problem"

The math:
44100 samples per second
384 ticks per bar on an MPC.

double tempo gives you 768 ticks per bar, twice as many spaces for the beats to fall into (even with zero quantize).

I use both depending on what I'm after.

My two
EZ
Dahkter

 

[Sanova]

I always use regular. I dont see a need to double it so far.

as far as cats talkin bout they do it to freak the hats or somethin.. one word.. Flam (reason heads)

 

[CampO]

U should have a 4th option I use wat ever the fuck feels good

 

[Qwerty]

I use a normal BMP on Reason. I use two drum sequencer. One for the kick and snare. The other one for the hats and a different snare if I want a south type break, BUT on the 2nd sequencer i put it in 1/32 (or whatever it is..)