Reason or MPC 2000 for drums
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Formant024
Digital Smokerings
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MPC's response quicker, it's timing is tight. All in all, the hardware equivalent of the sequencer will always be faster. Though I think you could neglect it when it comes to hiphop or simple 2 step breaks. I mean, I wonder who here watches 96ppq hehe, hence it's purpose served intentionaly as a workstation for percussionists. Also the reason a 16 bit 44kHz sampler can do the works. Then again, my studio partner is a drummer n pretty good too, he has no problem with doing a nice sick break recoring on logic through a midikeyboard (cs1x). There's a timing delay probably, but the exs24 does the work and result isn't really something to argue with. So Basicly it is all relative and I am not really saying anything lol!.
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bigdmakintrax
BeatKreatoR
Hey I know both of these, as far as sequencer I think that the sequencer that Reason has is very similiar to the mpc, if you hand bang a beat it is very close....and I like the quantization, I would say cubase, reason and the mpc have good sequencers for correcting large or small differences in timing........then the way you can make a pattern in the redrum and copy to the grid is one of the quickest ways to arrange and then you can go in and quickly edit....now as far as sound reason attempts to come close in this department, 1 way to get really good results is to record to an external source with some good analog processing you can get reason sound very very close to what you could do on the mpc....so it's all on what you know and how to get the best out of either one.....I miss the mpc....I like reason though and have sold some beats just as fast as with the mpc....
Formant024
Digital Smokerings
ill o.g.
Hey, my page consist of reason beats, fl, mpc n logic. And I do use everything at random/ or in combo .A bit of everything prevents making the same tracks. Learn how to use em is key, if you're good you seperate youself from the others a program wont do it for you, you decide taste, a program wont provide it for you.
I feel your pain though, although you wouldn't use it all the time you just gotta have it. Plus, you can go live without a damn laptop, I hate those appearances.
I feel your pain though, although you wouldn't use it all the time you just gotta have it. Plus, you can go live without a damn laptop, I hate those appearances.
Sober
ILLIEN
ill o.g.
This is my theory I say hardware for creating music and software for recording music.
For those of you who don't get it , it means hardware to make your beats and software to record your tracks and vocals. I find it much easier and you have more ability to get your creative ability out on hardware "this doesn't include you people who just sample everything including your drums (breakbeats)" Im talking about those of you who actually do some programming, cause with the latter you can do with any 19.99 music software, cut up samples and then layer them together...simple.
Anyways software rocks when it comes to recording your tracks and vocals.! like So many say once your hardware multitrack recorders go out of date , they are pretty much obsolete. Pc recording software is always updated and cheaper in the end.
Hope this helps everyone out. I hope you see the best of two worlds here :dance:
For those of you who don't get it , it means hardware to make your beats and software to record your tracks and vocals. I find it much easier and you have more ability to get your creative ability out on hardware "this doesn't include you people who just sample everything including your drums (breakbeats)" Im talking about those of you who actually do some programming, cause with the latter you can do with any 19.99 music software, cut up samples and then layer them together...simple.
Anyways software rocks when it comes to recording your tracks and vocals.! like So many say once your hardware multitrack recorders go out of date , they are pretty much obsolete. Pc recording software is always updated and cheaper in the end.
Hope this helps everyone out. I hope you see the best of two worlds here :dance:
bigdmakintrax
BeatKreatoR
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cue labs
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FUCK THAT. even suggesting that reason could come close, let alone surpass the mp for drum programming is fuckin ridiculous. the mp is the most versatile drum piece out. its rugged. i got both dog trust me. now if you wanna play a fuckin keyboard and record a 4 bar organ riff and then quantize that bitch easy, reasons your girl. but reason for drums.... i'd rather bang on fuckin pots and pans
Formant024
Digital Smokerings
ill o.g.
Both mpc and reason runn a resolution of 96 ppq so timing isn't a issue, processing speed is different because the pc runns through kernel multitasking which is kinda shabby opposed to MAC osX which runns mulitple kernel drivers in multi tasking. the mpc processing is not multitasking and therefor trustworthy of crashing. It's also portable, but so is a laptop, but the mpc oppposed to a laptop is far more flexible when considering working with mouse only which is not flexible.
Now as far as we can speak of quality, they both relate to the environment they reside in. The mpc and pc isn't much to talk about, in this case a pc will alternativly take over outboard funtions which are emulated from the real thing. So far as compressing goes, I have not yet found a vst/dx2 that was capable of doing the same thing my hardware compressors can do. Especialy on the comp/lim/gate combo it fails to dither, truncate a result similar to a harware compressor's signal processing. Anything close to usefull in this case was T-racks and PSP Vintage Warmer ( both tube emulation ).
For reason itself as a production platform, I would recommend a multi I/O dsp cards. Reason enables like 48 output directly ( without rewire ) so if having a good analogue console you can mix and master your works through it. This is much better than using the Rewire utility in conjunction with SX only ( no multi I/O, no Console ) since the blending is analogue and not calculated/emulated/dithered/truncated. But that's my opinion when talking about quality, the funtionality is cool since with Rewire all outputs from Reason go into the bus mixer from SX which enables the usage of vst's/vsti's and the sx score. The downpart is that Reason itself as a platform doesn't include a midi out, which means that you can control Reason from your MPC but you cannot use Reason to control your other synths and midi gear which mean in my case the program goes out the window since I don't really like the sampling and emulating synths. The hardware equivalent sounds much better and the filters in Fruityloops tend to sound better ( read phatter ). What left me was the drumming section, so the rex fileplayer and the Redrum which I used a lot together with Recycle. I named it a Random break generator since both combined enabled me to make breaks at random very quickly, I dithered them ( exported ) dry ( no fx ) and loaded them into my sampler. I found that was the only function of reason that I found usefull in my setup. When your setup consists of multiple gear with midi it would come very apparent, very quickly that Reason is not an option for such a setup. It's too much based upon using it standalone. Again, nice for drums, but that's really it.
Ow yeah, on a note, hardware multitrackers aren't any less of quality than your pc's dsp card. It's all A/D - D/A that determines the quality, it's cheaper to use the pc card but if in both cases it's says Apogee on the back of the expansion cards than they're both granted with suberb quality, if you catch me drift. About the functionality of both devices can be argued about ( especialy HD recorders have a different purpose since they're considered as portable devices, a pc is not ), but it wont make em obsolete yet. For the same reason I still like working with tape recorders like Fostex D16 or Sony reel2reel.
Now as far as we can speak of quality, they both relate to the environment they reside in. The mpc and pc isn't much to talk about, in this case a pc will alternativly take over outboard funtions which are emulated from the real thing. So far as compressing goes, I have not yet found a vst/dx2 that was capable of doing the same thing my hardware compressors can do. Especialy on the comp/lim/gate combo it fails to dither, truncate a result similar to a harware compressor's signal processing. Anything close to usefull in this case was T-racks and PSP Vintage Warmer ( both tube emulation ).
For reason itself as a production platform, I would recommend a multi I/O dsp cards. Reason enables like 48 output directly ( without rewire ) so if having a good analogue console you can mix and master your works through it. This is much better than using the Rewire utility in conjunction with SX only ( no multi I/O, no Console ) since the blending is analogue and not calculated/emulated/dithered/truncated. But that's my opinion when talking about quality, the funtionality is cool since with Rewire all outputs from Reason go into the bus mixer from SX which enables the usage of vst's/vsti's and the sx score. The downpart is that Reason itself as a platform doesn't include a midi out, which means that you can control Reason from your MPC but you cannot use Reason to control your other synths and midi gear which mean in my case the program goes out the window since I don't really like the sampling and emulating synths. The hardware equivalent sounds much better and the filters in Fruityloops tend to sound better ( read phatter ). What left me was the drumming section, so the rex fileplayer and the Redrum which I used a lot together with Recycle. I named it a Random break generator since both combined enabled me to make breaks at random very quickly, I dithered them ( exported ) dry ( no fx ) and loaded them into my sampler. I found that was the only function of reason that I found usefull in my setup. When your setup consists of multiple gear with midi it would come very apparent, very quickly that Reason is not an option for such a setup. It's too much based upon using it standalone. Again, nice for drums, but that's really it.
Ow yeah, on a note, hardware multitrackers aren't any less of quality than your pc's dsp card. It's all A/D - D/A that determines the quality, it's cheaper to use the pc card but if in both cases it's says Apogee on the back of the expansion cards than they're both granted with suberb quality, if you catch me drift. About the functionality of both devices can be argued about ( especialy HD recorders have a different purpose since they're considered as portable devices, a pc is not ), but it wont make em obsolete yet. For the same reason I still like working with tape recorders like Fostex D16 or Sony reel2reel.