Official Kanye West thread

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yall nuts

rigor mortis i definately hear you on that other shit.. i seen posts on here like how do i make a kanye sounding beat.... and i agree that is weak .. but you really think this cat aint made no contributions to hip hop? thats crazy... havin cats imitate your sound is a pretty big impact yo... i aint get personal.. im just tired of reading your posts truth.. and you right we did go round bout something else... i cant remember what... but i do remember it was about your need to post so many gay ass opinions that dont matter ... it really annoys the shit out of me.... glad you aint got shit to say finally.. thank god... no hard feelings though... but yo ill take that ticket anytime ... i could use a vacation
 

RigorMortis

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lol @ formant.. word!!

everyone who is into hiphop makes some kind of contribution in whatever sense positieve/negative/big/small etc. there is no doubt about that. But i for one do not think that he makes an impact on the hiphop culture just a temporary commercial impact, and i am not claiming he is a hundred procent commercial or whatsoever (maybe just 99% ;) ) i am claiming the fact that people will adapt to his sound for the moment for commercial gain, that is the mainstream, when the next one pops up they will be onto his sound, that aint doing nothing on the long term is my point of view.
but hell, with good promotion everything will sell, and the vultures will adapt to that sound, because it is popular, because that sound is already promoted, so a lot of people will recognize it and link it with some good shit, like flies on a heap of shit.
 
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The Bastard

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nuthin wrong with having diffrent taste and not likin sum1 but when u just come out and disrespect a valid artist that a lot of people's respect by sayin hes gay or he sucks you just come across as a childish jelous hater thats insecure about your own music, for real, dont hate congradulate
 

Fade

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Okay, I opened this thread in order to keep all the Kanye posts together. But if some of you are going to act like bitches by calling each other bitches and stupid bitches, then I should just close this thread and not allow anymore posts about Kanye ever again. Is this what's going to happen?

It's up to you guys and whether you can have a friendly argument about Kanye. Is it possible? I'll let you guys decide that. In the meantime, I'm tempted to ban all Kanye posts! ;)

C'mon guys, let's keep it clean.
 

N.U.G.

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Fade said:
Okay, I opened this thread in order to keep all the Kanye posts together. But if some of you are going to act like bitches by calling each other bitches and stupid bitches, then I should just close this thread and not allow anymore posts about Kanye ever again. Is this what's going to happen?

It's up to you guys and whether you can have a friendly argument about Kanye. Is it possible? I'll let you guys decide that. In the meantime, I'm tempted to ban all Kanye posts! ;)

C'mon guys, let's keep it clean.

well said

even though it has got a lil out of hand, it's still an interesting discussion...
 

Fade

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N.U.G. and Formant - you guys have argued nicely here and I have no problem with you guys. It's just funny how I started this thread only a few days ago and we're already on the 6th page.
 

N.U.G.

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Fade said:
N.U.G. and Formant - you guys have argued nicely here and I have no problem with you guys. It's just funny how I started this thread only a few days ago and we're already on the 6th page.

yup!

* plays "The College Dropout" for the 10th time in a row *

:)
 

StressWon

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I'm listenin to "All falls down" right now ebcause my daughter likes his music,,,,(Leave her alone,,LOL) She's 2 and its funny how she likes only Roc-A-Fella artists,,LOL. I say terminate all Kanye threads and just leave it alone,,,He's a GOOD producer,,nuttin too great,,,and I'll destroy him lyrically! LOL
 

N.U.G.

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Kanye West :: The College Dropout
Label: Roc-A-Fella Records
Author: Steve 'Flash' Juon

It's not very often in rap music that producers become household names. That is to say, not household as in hip-hop fans know who DJ Premier and Pete Rock are - that's expected. In this case your skate rock homeboy, he knows who Kanye West is. Your aunt's cousin who listens to nothing but old R&B records all day, she knows who Kanye West is. Know what? Your GRANDMOMMA knows who Kanye West is. Now that's a household name. If you look down the list of who he's penned hits for in the last three years, it's no wonder why. Ludacris, Jay-Z, Twista, Alicia Keys, the list just goes on and on. When Kanye decided to add rapping to his resume along with his beats, that's when shit got crazy. The rap album almost got curtailed before it even got started though when Kanye was in a car accident in October 2002 that nearly cost him his life. Underground, the unofficial first single from his forthcoming album "The College Dropout" was dedicated to that day, called "Through the Wire" because his jaw was physically welded to his face in reconstructive surgery:

"I drink a - Boost for breakfast, an Ensure for dizzert
Somebody ordered pancakes, I just sip the sizzurp
That right there could drive a sane man be-serk Not to worry Mr. H-to-the-Izzo's back to wi-zzerk
How do you console my mom or give her life support
Telling her her son's on life support
And just imagine how my girl feel
On the plane, scared as hell that her guy look like Emmett Till
She was with me before the deal, she been tryin to be mine
She a Delta, so she been throwing that +Dynasty+ sign
No use in me tryin to be lyin, I been tryin to resign
Trying to be a millionaire - HA! I used two lifelines
In the same hospital where Biggie Smalls died
The doctor said I had blood clots, but I ain't Jamaican man
Story on MTV and I ain't tryin to +Make a Band+
I swear this right here, history in the makin man"

You can tell Kanye West has heart that he can go through something that traumatic and still crack jokes about it, but that's hardly the important part. Can a producer flow? Depends on the producer. Diamond D and Large Professor both made their rep by being type nice on both sides of the board, but Swizz Beatz and Pete Rock don't exactly knock 'em dead on the mic - but bless their hearts for trying. Kanye has obviously picked up a little something from the large amount of time he spent around the Dynasty, that is, the artists of Jay-Z's imprint Roc-A-Fella Records. He's got a smooth and natural rap flow, punctuating words for emphasis like Jigga but with the relaxed vocal tone and attitude of a Dana Dane or Slick Rick. In fact if you didn't already know him from being a household name for his beats, you'd just assume he was another hot rapper signed to the Roc.

That's a good thing too, because Kanye West has a full album of 21 tracks that clocks in at over 70 minutes. If Kanye West wasn't at least CLOSE to as good a rapper as he was a producer, an album like "The College Dropout" would be an unmitigated disaster. As it is, his choices on sampling and production certainly don't hurt his presentation. You can't argue with lifting "I Just Wanna Stop" by the Jimmy Castor Bunch for the refreshing "We Don't Care" at the album's opener, where even selling crack to get by sounds like a sunshiny walk in the park. It's a little more surprising when he borrows from a more recent song, Lauryn Hill's "Mystery of Inequity" for "All Falls Down" featuring Syleena Johnson, but why not? There's no law of sampling that says all loops must be over a decade old. A lot of producers abuse Marvin Gaye samples to the point the soul crooner must be rolling over in his grave, but West shows a delicate touch using "Distant Lover" on the song "Spaceship" featuring Consequence and GLC. Consequence? Yeah wasn't he... oh yeah, he is that kid:

"I 'member havin to take the dollar cab, comin home real late at night
Standin on my feet all damn day, tryin to make this thing right
And havin one of my co-workers say 'Yo, you look just like
this kid I seen in the old Busta Rhymes video the other night'
Well easy come, easy go, how that sayin goes
No more broad service, cars and them TV shows
I all had that snatched from me, and all the faculties
all turn their back on me, and didn't wanna hear a rap from me
So naturally, actually, had to face things factually
Had to be a catastrophe, when the fridge is starin back at me
Cause nothing's there, nothing's fair, I don't wanna ever go back there
So I won't be takin no days off, 'til my spaceship takes off"

You certainly can't fault Kanye for showing love to underappreciated hip-hop MC's who never got their shine, but he's got the big names repping here too. Miri Ben-Ari plays violins on "Jesus Walks." Jay-Z spits on "Never Let Me Down." Common and Talib Kweli both appear on "Get Em High." If that isn't impressive enough, consider that these three songs all come BACK TO BACK on "The College Dropout." West is not afraid to prove he's got pull in the rap industry, but what's surprising is that he is never overshadowed by the stars that shine on his album. In fact on "Never Let Me Down" what he spits is so personal and heartfelt that quite frankly, he upstages Young Hova:

"I get down for my grandfather who took my momma
Made her sit in that seat, when white folks ain't want us to eat
At the tender age of 6 she was arrested for the sit-in's
And with that in my blood I was born to be different!
Now niggas can't make it to Balish to choose leadership
But we could make it to Jacob's and to the dealership
That's why I hear new music and I just don't be feelin it
Racism's still alive they just be concealin it
But I know they don't want me in the damn club
They even made me show ID to get inside of Sam's Club
I done did dirt and went to church to get my hands scrubbed
Swear I been baptized at least three or fo' times
But in a land where niggaz praise Yukons and gettin paid
It's gon' take a lot more than cuo-pons to get it saved
Like it'll take you a lot more than doo-rags to get you waves
Nothin sad as that day my girl father passed away
So I promise to Mr. Manny I'm gonna marry your daughter
And you know I gotta thank you for the way that she was brought up
And I know that you were smiling when you seen the car I bought her
And you sent tears from heaven when you seen my car get balled up, but
I can't complain what the accident did to my left eye
Cause look what a accident did to Left Eye
First Aaliyah, now +Romeo Must Die+?
I know I got angels watchin me from the other side"

More than anything else, the reason "The College Dropout" works is because it feels so damn personal. With the kind of bank Kanye pulls from beats alone, he could have written an entire album about flossing with more bling bling than Baby and Jay-Z put together. And that's not to say there aren't some kick back songs just for having fun, there would have to be to keep a balance. You'll hear the already released Twista song "Slow Jamz," as well as some new material like "Breathe In Breathe Out" with Ludacris and the censored ode to "School Spirit." Yet when it comes talking about his "Family Business," you can't front on Kanye West. With a mixture of charm and skills and very little evidence of hubris to be found, Kanye West might be "The College Dropout" but soon they'll also be calling him "The Platinum Recording Artist."

Music Vibes: 9 of 10 Lyric Vibes: 8 of 10 TOTAL Vibes: 8.5 of 10

Originally posted: February 10, 2004
source: www.RapReviews.com
 
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guarentee 99% of the people that hate on kanye if theyre favorite rap stars became household names theyd turn they backs on em and say they suck,its a shame
 

Cold Truth

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well, wu, the reason for that is a simple one- often times an artist makes drastic changes from the things that people liked about them to begin with.

im a big dilated peoples fan, and the newest record was ok but it just wasnt as good as the prior two albums to a lot of people (including myself) and it sold very poorly. the immediate response from people was "oh, ya'll just hatin cause they gettin radio and mtv play now and they messin with kanye", but the simple fact remained that people just didnt feel the new record. it really is that simple. why should i feel obligated to like something if i dont?

i have a question for you, wu- why is it that people cant simply dislike the music? why do they have to be "hatin" simply because they dont feel the same way about it as someone else does? why does it have to be considered hate?

how many people out there, whether they feel them or not, can question the talent, of, say the roots? an act that has languished in relative obscurity for over a decade, has released 7 albums including a live album, reinvented themselves completely with each record and has had a few modest hits, not to mention a grammy for a song that was actually deserving of that type of an honor? they give the best live shows in hip hop, they have the respect of damn near everyone in the industry, however.... they struggle to sale records. a lot of people just dont feel them. they, as a group have considerably more talent, longevity and credibility than your flavor of the moment 17 year old midwest/southern rapper who sales millions and gets non stop spins and video play.

does that mean people are hating on my favorite group, the roots? since i think they are legitimately one of the greatest groups ever, and they are critically lauded (i know that doesnt say much when you consider the critics themselves) and respected, but that hasnt translated to anywhere near the sales of a kanye west.

one other thing-

love kanye or hate the guy, in 6 years we will have a much better picture of what he has to offer, whether its beats or rhymes. he's been a known commodity in the mainstream world for less than a year and people are anointing him godlike status in hip hop. if he maintains this succes and remains on top for, i dont know, the 8 years or so of mainstream relavance of a timbaland, or the 15 years of a dr dre or even the underground relavance of a dj premier for the last 15 years, then, ok, he's earned a spot. one year and one album does not a legend make.
 

gram green

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one year and one album (commercially speakin)

i been listenin to that cat for at least 3 years and i was slow to catch on i thought... not that you would want to hear them but i seriously got about 30 tracks from kanye that have been around since then and were all made before and not on his album yo.... which are dickin his album by the way... cat has been doin alot of shit for a while ...
 

RigorMortis

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a lot of bep fans dont like bep nowadays and that aint strange cos they made radical change in their music they changed it to a product and made it marketable not that i care i have never been a fan of theirs to begin with..

I AM A HAPPY HATER
SO WHAT YA WANT! HUH! 1 HATE
 

x-squizet

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i see how well this forum took off, now we need a software vs. hardware thread to, to top it off. so well can all argue and get pissed off at each other. lol
 

Cold Truth

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actually, i would like to hear kanye's earlier work.

i was a fan of his pre-dropout material with jay z, scarface and a few of the kweli joints. i just dont dig him as a solo artist.

as far as the one year/one album thing, i'm just reffering to the public eye- a year ago he was a rleative unknown to the mainstream mtv crowd- but i get what your saying.
 
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like i said theres nuthin wrong wit not likin music theres a lot of music i dont like all music wasnt meant for everyone to be liked,what i was sayin is cats that constantly diss one artist with no other explanation than he sucks hes on tv is weak
 

RigorMortis

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there is a couple of pages of explainin here
 
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