new carlitos way movie

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Blunt604

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who has peeped that new carlitos way movie yet? i watched it last night shit is okay its obviously no where near as good as the first one but its still dope if ur a fan of it.... mario van peebles was in it but it aint tha same without al.
 

FSC

Royal Souf Productions
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I gotta see both of them. And i heard that the first one was better than the new one. But i'm till gonna check both of them out. Those are my favorite type of movies.
 

Rhythmikal

Beat's Disciple
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lol this looks like a cheap joke to me. p.diddy? haha. they should of let this great film rest IMO.
 

H&R

DJ Nice // Crack City
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I'm def. not watchig it because it has diddy in it . . . The first one is a classic . . . This new one is utter garbage especially if it has diddy in it because they really didn't care about the acting talent then.
 

StressWon

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I'm a HUGE PAcino fan,,,and Carlito's Way is one of my favs,,,,,I bought this Tuesday when it came out. It was good. Nuttin spectacular, but it tied in pretty well with the first one. Diddy asctaully did a good job. If you're a Carlito fan,,,get it. Jay Hernandez does a great job with the character. Sounds like him and actin is good. Me and Clev were talkin the other night and havin "Pachanga" aka Luis Guzman in this was weird. lol overall,,,,not bad, worth the money.
 

H&R

DJ Nice // Crack City
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StressWon said:
"Pachanga" aka Luis Guzman in this was weird. lol overall,,,,not bad, worth the money.
Yea ??? Can you please explain that ? Is he playing Pachanga or or another character ? Because that is another reason why I may never bother to actually watch it.
 
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Svenghali

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Based on the trailer, I wouldn't watch that film if they offered free popcorn and soda with it. I don't know who the director is or how he got rights to do that film, but somebody let me in so that I can do "Resevoir Dogs in the Hood."
 

Fade

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I just watched it, it was pretty good. Of course it's nothing like the first one, but it's still solid in its own way, and yeah it ties into the first one well.
 

PHV

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I found the first one boring. Al Pacino is an amazing actor, but I don't know why he took such shitty roles like the one in Scarface and Carlito's way. It's the same shit... some tired gangster thinks he's the shit and gets blown away in the end. You'd think that wannabes and wankstas would be discouraged in their lives of petty crime, but for some reason rappers find a movie about a glorified yayo peddler getting blown away as being very inspiring. I guess that speaks about the industry.

If someone can actually provide me with a coherant and thoughtful reply as to why it is a good movie, then please tell me. I know ya'll probably love Scarface, and this one to a lesser extent. Carlito's Way I can somewhat understand. It's a dude who wants to get out, and sees that there are more precious and beautiful things in life other than money.
 

Lex

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PHV said:
Al Pacino is an amazing actor, but I don't know why he took such shitty roles like the one in Scarface and Carlito's way. It's the same shit... some tired gangster thinks he's the shit and gets blown away in the end.

I serioulsy hope you're joking....the reason that sort of plot/format seems played out is because of the amount of shitty, painfully mediocre films that copy a few older classic that used that particular structure.
 

PHV

ILLIEN
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Lex said:
I serioulsy hope you're joking....the reason that sort of plot/format seems played out is because of the amount of shitty, painfully mediocre films that copy a few older classic that used that particular structure.

I'll take back what I said it being played out. I just think this part of a larger problem.

In rap/hip hop it's cool to be a criminal, be uneducated, immoral and whatever. I'm not saying let's all go to bible camp, I'm not saying it's not ok to indulge and get fucked up... but in no other form of music is it ok to talk about killing and hustling drugs like it's something to aspire to. I never understood what was cool about some Cuban getting rich because of coke then getting killed by someone way bigger and better than him. For some reason rappers find Scarface a source of inspiration, whereas it should be something that mocks that lifestyle, acting as proof that it doesn't pay to be a gangster.
 

Lex

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Fair enough mate, I do see where you're coming from now. That's a very fair point actually.
 

PHV

ILLIEN
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Lex said:
Fair enough mate, I do see where you're coming from now. That's a very fair point actually.

Honestly I don't want to sound superior but I really think a lot of people miss the entire idea behind those movies. Don't people realize that Al Pacino is probably the epitome of the tragic hero? I think most "hustlas" and "gangstas" and the 5 million wiggers who go along with them just see the drugs, the money, and the pathetic power that Tony Montana wields in the criminal armpit of the world and think that's so cool. They don't realize that all that stuff is serving to engineer the downfall of the person.

It's pretty basic... the Tony comes in with NOTHING. 30 minutes into the movie, he offs the guy who made him. A renewal, and at the end of the movie what happens? His criminal ways catch up to him as he's blown away by a 12 guage. I just don't see how that is so cool and why it seems like every rapper and person into the urban culture thinks that Scarface is so cool. Really, it is a film mocking the entire idea of the hustler... there is nothing glorious or fitting about being squashed by another low life (who is at least a much more powerful low life).
 

Lex

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I think most people with common sense would see it like that though. It doesn't take a lot to work out that if you're involved with that sort of stuff, your deeds will catch up to you, or someone one will cross you/betray for the money anyway.

The sort of film really just illustrates that humans' own greed and desire is what ultimately causes their downfall. It just so happens that in gangster films this isn't shown in a metaphorical way, but you literally see how the greed and ambition of one person to get to the top [or to have money/power etc.] leads to them betraying friends, family and generally acting like savages to get what they want.
 
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