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http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9910344-7.html?tag=nefd.lede

Executives from MySpace officially announced the creation of MySpace Music, a service that will be jointly operated by News Corp.'s MySpace and, at least initially, three out of the four top record labels.

The Thursday morning teleconference MySpace held with the press was anticlimactic since details about the service have been leaking for weeks.

The service will roll out gradually over the next three to four months and offer free streaming music, unprotected MP3 downloads, ringtones, and e-commerce offerings such as merchandise and ticket sales, said MySpace CEO Chris DeWolfe. The goal is to make MySpace a one-stop shop for everything music. Among the top four music companies, EMI was the lone holdout. A source with knowledge of the negotiations said that MySpace and EMI continue to seek a deal.

(For more on what lies ahead for EMI, read what the incoming chief of its digital unit, Douglas Merrill, had to say in this interview with CNET News.com from Wednesday: "Will former Google exec help save the music industry?")

The partnership with MySpace is another sign that the music industry has decided to embrace the Web and digital technology instead of waging war against it. As CD sales continue to shrink and piracy expands, the labels are moving toward the inevitable: a redefining of how they make money from music. With MySpace Music, the labels will get an equity stake in the new joint venture and a share of all the revenues the service collects.

To this point, none of the challengers to Apple's iTunes has been able to gather an audience of any relevance or able to cut licensing deals that would provide them with a music offering that equals or surpasses Apple's.

That changed today.

MySpace has 110 million users, 30 million who listen to music on the site. Combine those numbers with the 5 million music acts that promote themselves on the site and MySpace already has impressive music credentials. James McQuivey, an analyst with Forrester Research, said MySpace could help modernize the music industry.

"MySpace has the audience and environment to enable the music industry to get to the next digital level," McQuivey said. "What iTunes offers is a good buying experience but that's not all people do with music. They they talk about it, they share it, they try things out. Remember, this is the kind of activity that (record label) Universal Music Group was suing MySpace for previously."

McQuivey continued: "I think the labels said to themselves,'Oh, if we enable fans to have a fully immersive experience, they might spend more on music. MySpace can offer a place where all aspects of the music experience can be expressed. Imeem was getting close to this but MySpace, if they don't mess it up, should take the music industry to Music 2.0"

Thomas Hesse, president of global digital business at Sony BMG Music Entertainment agreed that part of what attracted the record companies to MySpace was its audience.

"MySpace is already one of the largest music communities on the Internet," Hesse said during an interview with CNET News.com "We're aligning our efforts to reach fans through every conceivable platform."

DeWolfe did not disclose what prices might be, nor would he disclose information about the status of a copyright-infringement suit brought MySpace by Universal Music last year. A source said that the suit was settled for a large sum.

Although DeWolfe declined to discuss financial terms of the deal, the source said that it is non exclusive, meaning that the labels are free to make similar arrangements if they choose. Facebook has been reportedly talking to the labels about launching its own music service.
 

Formant024

Digital Smokerings
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i dunno, myspace has the right to use your music...i dont think its safe enough to handle my bizz through but its still good for networking...im actualy looking at a software based solution for publishing not webbased cuz that sux
 

God

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MySpace, Purevolume, Soundclick and their precursor MP3.com all used the same strategy.

A musician has a dream.
Create a site that peddles to that dream.
Create a large user base of hopeful dreamers (in MySpace's case, there are millions.)
The more dreamers you have, the more you can charge for advertising.
The more you charge, the more money you make.

Throw the occasional bone to the dreamer - like a "development deal" contest or a story of how one of the millions of musicians on MySpace "got a record deal" by posting their music online (there are better chances in winning the lottery).

Good scam.
 

skidflow

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MySpace, Purevolume, Soundclick and their precursor MP3.com all used the same strategy.

A musician has a dream.
Create a site that peddles to that dream.
Create a large user base of hopeful dreamers (in MySpace's case, there are millions.)
The more dreamers you have, the more you can charge for advertising.
The more you charge, the more money you make.

Throw the occasional bone to the dreamer - like a "development deal" contest or a story of how one of the millions of musicians on MySpace "got a record deal" by posting their music online (there are better chances in winning the lottery).

Good scam.
I've recognized a long time ago about various types of "dream exploiters". Some people spend extra money where they don't even need to. Like open-mic events...I've seen cats pay to get in the club just to perform free...the owner of the club is a "dream exploiter" all he has to do is say on the flyer "DEF-JAM A&R rep present at open mic" and the owner would rake in the dough.
 
MySpace, Purevolume, Soundclick and their precursor MP3.com all used the same strategy.

A musician has a dream.
Create a site that peddles to that dream.
Create a large user base of hopeful dreamers (in MySpace's case, there are millions.)
The more dreamers you have, the more you can charge for advertising.
The more you charge, the more money you make.

Throw the occasional bone to the dreamer - like a "development deal" contest or a story of how one of the millions of musicians on MySpace "got a record deal" by posting their music online (there are better chances in winning the lottery).

Good scam.

Sums it up perfectly.
 

Formant024

Digital Smokerings
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duh! Like said, id rather see dedicated software for publishing /management then to be dependend on sites like these...they say they got 5millions bands on myspace and 0,01% is actually signed besides the hasbeens, have beens and respectables...keep it for networking and let the majors get their acts together...or actually, id rather see them tumble down completely just to see how the industry evolves without those conservative jews running these bizz...look what they did to elvis fgs lol
 

eldiablo

KRACK HEAD
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yeah were all about to witness mad changes in the music game.
 
yeah were all about to witness mad changes in the music game.
And the changes/announcements seem to be happening pretty rapid the last week.
Which shows me that its a coordinated effort by the industry to accept defeat and come back in "if you cant beat them, join them" fashion. All media is a tool to get people to think or behave a certain way, tv was invented as a means to guide public opinion, before that it was the newspapers that subtly directed the masses. Now we have movies, music, tv & print media bombarding us with ideologies, it is a form of control that the corporate industry does not want to lose. The internet gave people a freedom to share information that they wanted to share, without being dictated to by any outside source.
I fear that with internet 2 on the horizon the death of the internet as we know it is on the way.
The industry is just getting to grips with the new medium of the internet and it looks like its going for its dominance on the information superhighway. It will be interesting to see how this pans out, to see if Im right or wrong, as it is Im just being my cynical self and sharing my opinion based on what I know.
So myspace boasts 5 million artists on its membership, but out of that proverbial haystack, how many needles are in it. The chances of myspace ever helping anyones career is so slim, you might as well do the lottery instead.
The fact is most artists on myspace or any other site like it arent really that good. Most of them are still developing there styles, some are just in it for the fun, I have no problem with that, we all have to start somewhere, but with so much shit to wade through it becomes a chore to dig out the gems within. In my time on the net I have come across some very very talented artists, artists that make me realise Im not as good as I thought I was, but yet they are still unsigned, still struggling to make ends meet. It makes me realise that its an uphill struggle that never gets any easier, only harder as the realisation of this reality sets in.
 

God

Creator of the Universe
ill o.g.
And the changes/announcements seem to be happening pretty rapid the last week.
Which shows me that its a coordinated effort by the industry to accept defeat and come back in "if you cant beat them, join them" fashion. All media is a tool to get people to think or behave a certain way, tv was invented as a means to guide public opinion, before that it was the newspapers that subtly directed the masses.

Well, 2good, coordinated efforts on the part of business are called PR campaigns. Just browse through the history of a firm like http://www.edelman.com and see about it. You have a strategy or message you want out in public, thus, you hire a PR firm to create a strategy that disseminates said information to people.

Usually you have:
1. "Opinions" in the editorial pages submitted by someone that is on retainer from a PR firm.
2. "Reviews" by people that are on retainer.
3. Pre-packaged press releases ready to be rewritten as an article.
4. If for TV, A-roll and B-roll with press releases. Audio/video clips provided. All "correspondent" has to do is edit them, do a voice over, and the job is done for the day.
5. Trolls in forums or on blogs.
6. Etc.

It is naive to think that there aren't PR campaigns. If you want to be successful, you have to realize that it is a MASSIVE part of the industry, and THINK like they do to get your point across. That's why I believed that Ash Holmz should do a PR stunt of some sort to get attention (A LEGAL stunt.)

The fact that all the PR came out so quickly in the span of a couple week is to setup consumers for the industry's new marketing/sales strategy which will probably be implemented around Q4.

The internet gave people a freedom to share information that they wanted to share, without being dictated to by any outside source.
I fear that with internet 2 on the horizon the death of the internet as we know it is on the way.

The internet will probably be regulated as the cable companies that own the backbone and actual fibre optic lines will clamp down to control it by levying fees and taxes. If I was a cable company, that's what I would do. It increases profit.

The fact is most artists on myspace or any other site like it arent really that good. Most of them are still developing there styles, some are just in it for the fun, I have no problem with that, we all have to start somewhere, but with so much shit to wade through it becomes a chore to dig out the gems within.

Most bands on MySpace do not put the time and money into properly marketing themselves and seeking some from of managerial representation. They are, on the most part, amateurs that have a place to post their songs. Then, they expect the "hand of God" to come down and pick them up from their MySpace wasteland and turn them into stars. Some cats are indie and don't want to be commercial - not a problem - more power to you. But for the dreamers that think they're going platinum - well... we see how well FarmClub.com did back in the day. Not good at all, even though A&Rs were PROACTIVELY listening to shit that was posted on there. I really thought Interscope was going to do the "sell to dreamers advertising" shtick on FarmClub, but they were bleeding money with little return.

MySpace is good for social networking and creating a fanbase from your shows, etc. It's kind of essential you have a MySpace site for the sake of having one.

But in reality, put your money into a polished demo that you can literally imagine being on the radio (costs money or a lot of time), get representation (a manager that is a REAL manager), think about your image - are you sellable?, and if you want to be commercial - can your songs really be played on the radio? Also, please consider that it takes about 1-2 years max to get an album recorded and properly released. Add on top of that all the time it takes to get a product in the right hands (1-2 years max, if you know what you're doing) and you have to be thinking "is my shit going to sound right" for what they'll be playing on the radio in 3-5 years.

If you're successful, expect a 1-3 year run to really milk whatever hits you made (3 years is a long time for an artist.)

Save and invest in annuities, the Wilshire 5000, or something that is safe and pays a dividend. Keep saving, don't buy that expensive car. Buy that Exxon stock cuz you know it ain't gonna fall any time soon.

MySpace ain't gonna get you that. YOU have to get it by going out and being proactive about your career.

Then, once you're signed. Guess what happens? The record company hires a PR firm to publicise and market you (read the beginning of my post.) Now that's when the "media coordination" (cough) works in your favor.
 
^^^^ I agree with everything you have said. I know for sure that the new superfast network will be regulated and probably taxed.
Promising movie dl's in a few seconds rather than minutes, but will it be available for everyone and will big brother be constantly breathing down our necks? We wont know until it happens but Im pretty sure that the way the freedom of information boomed online was something that caught out everybody in movies/games/music industries and even many governments were caught out. .
I think the lessons have been learned and so plans have already been implemented to make the new net's users much more accountable for there browsing habits. There is part of me that realises that this must happen for the continuation of said industries as profits in all 3 are dwindling rapidly. The music industry is suffering drastically, and I know that the file sharing is killing sales. But its control also has an evil flip side to help govts keep tabs on us and know as much as they possibly can about us, flag us as trouble makers, and maybe even ultimately have us locked up on some charge.
All business is about profit, but when the profit comes at others expense through manipulation, or exploitation then it is morally wrong and teaches our young that exploitation and manipulation for monetary gain is ok.
As materialism and greed grows exponentially, (Hip Hop has played its part in this) then so does the exploitation and manipulation of others. I know Im a stupid idealist, but id rather the quality of my music be its selling point, and not some PR campaign by ad men(trained very much in manipulation and mind control and subliminal messages). I realise that what I want isnt reality, I know most people will gladly accept being told what is in and what is not, I know the history of commercialism as we know it today, I know why technology changes so rapidly, why new cars are developed every year. Its fashion, we are generally slaves to fashion, something designed to constantly keep us in a state of keeping up with the Jones'. But at what cost? The planet is being stripped of all resources, we are running out of places to bury our landfill(in the UK anyway). And the children are getting dumber, so escalating the already serious problem. Business is good, profit is good, excessive profit is wrong if none of it is put back into the communities from which it came. Money breeds greed, and greed kills communities.
Altho Ive said all this, I agree with what you say, and its obvious to me that you are well informed of the business side of the music industry and heed your posts. Im not so business minded, Im too cynical for my own good and think everything is a plot to keep the have nots without and the haves with.
 

God

Creator of the Universe
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2good,

I think if the cable companies own the fibre optic networks and switchboards that we use for free, or for a menial ISP charge, they have to cash in somehow on people jacking their bandwidth. It's business-- I don't think it's really that sinister (I might not like having to pay fees) other than just being a profitable thing.

As for the rest of what you said, I disagree with it- no disrespect.

Idealism doesn't sell records.
 
2good,

I think if the cable companies own the fibre optic networks and switchboards that we use for free, or for a menial ISP charge, they have to cash in somehow on people jacking their bandwidth. It's business-- I don't think it's really that sinister (I might not like having to pay fees) other than just being a profitable thing.

As for the rest of what you said, I disagree with it- no disrespect.

Idealism doesn't sell records.

Cable companies that supply the network have every right to cash in on their network, I fully expect to pay to use it as much as I pay to use the internet now.
Idealism I agree doesnt sell records, but it keeps me true to myself, and if i can die knowing that I stayed true to myself then in that small thing I will feel I have acheived something. Id rather die pennyless and happy, than rich but empty inside trying to fill a void that is unfillable with material gain. Happyness is a state of mind, not some false dream of money buys happiness, because thats just not true. I dont make my music available on my website for monetary gain, I do it because I like my music, and would like to share it and bring enjoyment to others, without financial gain. If sales compromises me, then fuck sales.
I can agree to disagree, and its about time I got back to the topic at hand.
Keep up the good posts, respect.
 
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