Mpc1000

MarkN

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Right as far as i know a few people on here use these ! can you tell me your thoughts on them and what you use it for, i've got one i've had it for months i got it used it for a few weeks and to be honest thought it woz fuckin crap and switched back to using reason, it just seemed to make everything i wanted to do ten times harder and longer with no advantages at all ! but i now see you can use it with reason in a few different ways aswell so whats the deal with this ?
i have been thinking about selling it and getting a trigger finger and sum change left over instead !
whats the deal am i just being stupid and not realising its potential or is it just really crap !?
 

Formant024

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A mpc is dope, when you have additional hardware, not being the only one machine in your setup. Yes, it work via midi to reason or any other midi equiped gear, but so does any keyboard or another pc. You cant get anything out of it if you dont have the perspective of what the machine can do, no matter what the setup or situation. It becomes a luxury item because you might have benefitted from other gear purchases before getting an mpc, think of a good mixing console, compressors etc. A midi keyboard for the mpc is also a good addition, but if you dont see the benefits of hardware sequencer or a sampler embedded workstation than indeed you might be better of using the finger trigger on reason and forget about the hype. I got mine hooked onto the midipatchbay, ins and outs so it can act as whatever I want it to be, I also just use it as a mpd for logic but also as a midi recorder on the clavinova when jamming for scores. Its very versatile but you need to see the purpose and benefits of it.

Second, you dont become a superb mpc'er over night (or over a few months), especialy when you're new to hardware, samplers and hardware setups, not to mention modular setups with syncs to software.

Third, hardware isnt easier, reason is, working with hardware is working in detail because you have to, software makes you lazy, you're easy to avoid anything taking more effort because there's a software solution for pretty much everything. Hardware forces you to use what you have which isnt a disadvantage unless you dont understand.
 

classic

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Formant024 said:
A mpc is dope, when you have additional hardware, not being the only one machine in your setup. Yes, it work via midi to reason or any other midi equiped gear, but so does any keyboard or another pc. You cant get anything out of it if you dont have the perspective of what the machine can do, no matter what the setup or situation. It becomes a luxury item because you might have benefitted from other gear purchases before getting an mpc, think of a good mixing console, compressors etc. A midi keyboard for the mpc is also a good addition, but if you dont see the benefits of hardware sequencer or a sampler embedded workstation than indeed you might be better of using the finger trigger on reason and forget about the hype. I got mine hooked onto the midipatchbay, ins and outs so it can act as whatever I want it to be, I also just use it as a mpd for logic but also as a midi recorder on the clavinova when jamming for scores. Its very versatile but you need to see the purpose and benefits of it.

Second, you dont become a superb mpc'er over night (or over a few months), especialy when you're new to hardware, samplers and hardware setups, not to mention modular setups with syncs to software.

Third, hardware isnt easier, reason is, working with hardware is working in detail because you have to, software makes you lazy, you're easy to avoid anything taking more effort because there's a software solution for pretty much everything. Hardware forces you to use what you have which isnt a disadvantage unless you dont understand.

well.. said
 

MarkN

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yea i don't expect to become good with it overnight but i've had it for months and months now and still havent found a reason too use it yet, its always been easier for me to use my software stuff ! like for example editing samples on an MPC is a pig whereas i use cool edit when i use software and its so much better and easier to use ?
most of my beats are totally sample based well until recently and i don't use a midi keyboard i always use softsynths controlled by my m-audio ozone !
Its an expensive piece of equipment but and imo i find that working with my software setup allows me to work in more detail ? plus it gives me much more control over wot im doing and a greater number of possibilities !
I mean i don't want to totally write it off people like just blaze, kanye west, dre dre, premo all use MPCs tho not the 1000 ! so the mpc must be a good piece of kit is it the fact that the 1000 is crap ?
obviously at the moment i sequence my stuff in reason i don't see how the MPC sequencer is any better infact i think its a nightmare to work with compared to the reason sequencer ?
am i completely missing something here or is the MPC1000 overhyped ?

PS thanks for those replying in here
 

bhunt

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I have had my MPC for about 2 years and had reason for about 2 and a half. I'm mostly now MPC user. I like what reason offers, but I do notice a difference in sound quality coming from my MPC than Reason. With Reason I have the have my songs dripping with EQ and effects so they don't sound thin. WItht he MPC I can have a sample based beat going in 5 min. But its all about work flow. I hate using a CPU to load and chop samples I like using the pads a dial. I can chop way faster on the MPC than the CPU but I had to learn how to use the upper pads on the MPC pad 13-16 make sample editing very easy. I lost a lot of funtionality going from a MPC to Reason, but I noticed myslef having more fun on the MP. But I don't think you can dismiss it, the workflow may not just be for you. But I always have fun just jamming on my machine making beats I know nobody will want to hear, but just me freestyling on the pads. But you said you make mostly sample based music so the MP should have been up your alley. Take some of those reason samples and put them in the MPC and add some drums but explore the filtering and layering with the drums and play around with the effects I'm pretty sure there are somethings that you will like.
 

Formant024

Digital Smokerings
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MarkN said:
yea i don't expect to become good with it overnight but i've had it for months and months now and still havent found a reason too use it yet, its always been easier for me to use my software stuff ! like for example editing samples on an MPC is a pig whereas i use cool edit when i use software and its so much better and easier to use ?
most of my beats are totally sample based well until recently and i don't use a midi keyboard i always use softsynths controlled by my m-audio ozone !
Its an expensive piece of equipment but and imo i find that working with my software setup allows me to work in more detail ? plus it gives me much more control over wot im doing and a greater number of possibilities !
I mean i don't want to totally write it off people like just blaze, kanye west, dre dre, premo all use MPCs tho not the 1000 ! so the mpc must be a good piece of kit is it the fact that the 1000 is crap ?
obviously at the moment i sequence my stuff in reason i don't see how the MPC sequencer is any better infact i think its a nightmare to work with compared to the reason sequencer ?
am i completely missing something here or is the MPC1000 overhyped ?

PS thanks for those replying in here

It's overhyped but that doesnt mean anything. But let me try to put you up to some basic points/assets of a mpc, any mpc for that matter since I wont take the quality of the sampler into notice(I might add some stuff later on).

1. Sampler embedded workstation; there is a sampler in your hardware sequencer meaning that there's no latency(well hardly, we're almost talking lightspeed for what midi connections are concerned). That's the reason why you select a drum part for your samples and not midi a miditrack, the midi data goes directly into the cpu of mpc and not out the I/O's. You'll have some latency over midi depending on the amount of midi messages going through the midichain. I.e., if you set a drummachine in the end of a chain you might a few milliseconds delay opposed from the first machine in the chain. So you set the sampler or drummachine first in the midi chain. You might be thinking small issue but those milliseconds in miditiming make up for swing etc, which becomes messy when out of sync, sometimes on the slightest midi note (like a hat section). That's why its nice that the mpc has dual I/O's in case of mucho hardware. It's one of the reason why you can say that the timing of the sequencer on a mpc is rock solid.

2. It's a sequencer with a dual midi I/O and full sync options, it basicaly fits in any setup unless there's no midi device in there or can easily be fitted into a current setup (modular setup). There nothing special which means any data can be transfered to any other midi reading device, whether that be realtime or via storagemedia and in both directions (play/rec - a midi recorder). It also features a midi thru mode meaning when you sequence various channel to gear from your daw, the mpc will record all those individual channels when assigned. This mean you work from either the mpc or pc, but always keep the same setup. So in case you work with a daw but perform on stage with hardware you only need to record the data going from the daw, through the mpc, to the midigear...after recording detach the midi cables going to and from the pc and you're live set is done. The other way around is work notepad style on the mpc untill you feel that the layout of a track is done (and I mean really done), you then save you're work to a file type-1 midifile and open it up in your fav. platform to work out the details in the track( but you have work out a template midifile or daw file formaat that has the same midi assignment you used on the mpc, or else you just have midi data, but no chnls assigned, no prgms, nothing. You can manualy assign like this but then noobs start complaining because they never thought of this).

3. Forget beats, lets talk scoring key actions. I'm all in favour of getting away form the pc screens, so at times it's nice to take the mpc and place it on top of the midi piano (in my case, a yamaha clavinova). All I do is hit record and start playing and let it record all my key actions. I find something I like I replay the key action untill satisfied and fit it into a loop. After that I work out another part of the score, I might have started with basic chords so step 2 is basslines....on the piano. Then stringparts etc, whatever needs to be in the track Im working on. This process of writing a score goes much faster than writing on a daw because you dont have to many options you're fucking with and too much potentials. It's me and the piano, the mpc just records or does undo. Like this, if the whole score sounds dope on the clavinova, playback by mpc, I detach it again and hook it up in the controlroom again and start assigning proper sounds.

4. Timing issue, besides from latency over midichain There is timing by 2 factors, cpu of the mpc which totaly dedicated to the OS opposed to multitasking on a DAW which always shares its resources and second ppq (pulses per quarter note). AND (It might shock you guys) but the mpc is merely 96ppq(960ppq on the 4K), it still a lot if you consider that you can shuve a note 96 steps within a 1/4th note (besides percentages shifted by swingfactor, which is still in range of 96ppq) but FL as I remember does 786ppq and logic is also 960 ppq. So, if you're hooking up an mpc to a daw, than you might wanna switch the platforms ppq to match the mpc's ppq to keep the mpc's famous timing (or as in noob terms "the feel of the mpc"). I can also imagine that 4k users with experience of older mpc models might remark upon the feel not being the same since the ppq resolution wennt up a tenfold, now I dont know much about the 4k, but it would be funny to set it back to 96ppq lol.

me 2 eurocents
 

Formant024

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bhunt said:
I have had my MPC for about 2 years and had reason for about 2 and a half. I'm mostly now MPC user. I like what reason offers, but I do notice a difference in sound quality coming from my MPC than Reason. With Reason I have the have my songs dripping with EQ and effects so they don't sound thin. WItht he MPC I can have a sample based beat going in 5 min. But its all about work flow. I hate using a CPU to load and chop samples I like using the pads a dial. I can chop way faster on the MPC than the CPU but I had to learn how to use the upper pads on the MPC pad 13-16 make sample editing very easy. I lost a lot of funtionality going from a MPC to Reason, but I noticed myslef having more fun on the MP. But I don't think you can dismiss it, the workflow may not just be for you. But I always have fun just jamming on my machine making beats I know nobody will want to hear, but just me freestyling on the pads. But you said you make mostly sample based music so the MP should have been up your alley. Take some of those reason samples and put them in the MPC and add some drums but explore the filtering and layering with the drums and play around with the effects I'm pretty sure there are somethings that you will like.

I do the same with FL material, but instead of loading it into 2k engine, I load it into a EMU Esi 4kturbo or Roland S750 for better performance but sequenced from the mpc. The sampler is overrated but you might wanna try for yourself and compare the internal mpc sampler with a less non-budget sampler.
 

KurtisRich

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I was actually planning on purchasing the Mpc 2000 xl model, but then I heard that the Mpc 1000 is coming out with the new OS that will have features like the Mpc 2500 model. I'm still debating.... Will the new OS make the Mpc 1000 much better than the 2000xl??? If it is, I think I might just cop the 1k instead and have some spare change na mean.
 
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KurtisRich said:
I was actually planning on purchasing the Mpc 2000 xl model, but then I heard that the Mpc 1000 is coming out with the new OS that will have features like the Mpc 2500 model. I'm still debating.... Will the new OS make the Mpc 1000 much better than the 2000xl??? If it is, I think I might just cop the 1k instead and have some spare change na mean.
i dunno about much better, but it will be able to do everything a 2kxl can do plus more EXCEPT, and its a big except, authochromation function, i dont get why they couldnt have jsut sqeezed that in it makes me pretty aggrivated, but maybe in the future....
 

Chrono

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I've tried to use software to lay down bass for years, as soon as i recieve my mpc1k I can lay great basslines. In my case while learning software I really noticed how it is only emulating the hardware. I always had to "get over" the fact that making beats on software was no fun, I honstly didn't know much about the real hardware it was emulating. Whenever I get a free 20 minutes I make an ill beat! Before on software it took much longer and it was usuially booty.
I'm sending off for my free 128 RAM card from akai.. Akai seems to be taking great care of their customers. I couldn't be happier
 

Vince

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as soon as you recive your mpc you'll make great basslines?
uhm, yeeeeeeeah
 
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The Bastard

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Vince said:
as soon as you recive your mpc you'll make great basslines?
uhm, yeeeeeeeah
YEAH IT AINT THAT EASY ,LOL , FOR ME ANYWAYS , I FIND BASS THE HARDEST, A LOT EASIER NOW A DAYS THAT MY BOY BOUGHT A BASS THO
 
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