Low/Hi Pass Filter on the MasterBus?

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Hi-Lo

ILLIEN
ill o.g.
see maybe i should have open a thread but i was interested in learning low end freakwencie techniques
reading about it watching a video or somthing you know a tutorial

like one time a cat posted a beat making video of some white boy making a beat some japenese sample on an mpc he killed it and what he did was make one track or pad the hi end then another the low end with a little Res on it

threw a cross delay on the hi end put his drums an the beat was popping

see now its the math he did that im interested in learning the math on the freakwencies hi and low ends feel me.

the effects ill apply but want to learn the math and apply it in fruity l0ops to my samples feel me hope y'all understand my question
and what im interested in learning


the math that fade gave us on freaks is great cause you get an idea of freaks and where they live and what they do so fo sho thats help ful so you can make educated guesses use ya ears and see whats popping but if theres some kind of artical or tutorial video explaining the technique the math that would be greatly appreciated

the only problem i have with ths post, although i hear where you're coming from, is that people have already offered good advice in here but not in the form of a tutorial video. man good advice and knowledge can come from any of us just as much as some tutorial video...tutorial videos are made by producers you don't know as well, not by professional producers (in fact pro producers almost never get on camera because they refuse to give their real secrets away). so listen to what we have to say even if we don't have a specific tutorial for you ok?

second, if you liked that video, then do that! one of the biggest misconceptions about eq is that there is math involved, which there is not. if he simply split the sample into highs and lows, then all he did was go somewhere in the middle of the frequency spectrum and cut all the lows off on one sample and cut all the highs off on another sample. he also could have used a low pass filter on one (low pass filters let the low frequencies PASS through, while eliminating high frequencies above the CUTOFF you set), and a high pass on the other (a high PASS lets the highs pass, and cuts the lows below the cutoff you set). do you see how those are basically the same thing? to do what you're describing you'd need to do one of two things;
1) set a low pass filter on one sample, setting cutoff around, say, 5,000hz, with low resonance. this gives you your low sample, although note that because you're trying to separate the frequency spectrum into 2 bands, instead of 3 (i.e. low/high instead of low/mid/high) you're getting a lot of mids in this pad, so it won't be all that low. if you want to make this one more low end, drop the cutoff value on this and compensate on the hi pass.
2) set a hi pass filter with cutoff ~5000 hz, low resonance. this gives you one pad with lows and mids, one pad with his.

now from earlier i think you are asking about low end theory so here you go..

low end theory was a trick a lot of 80s and 90s producers used to accentuate the low end of their tracks. all you do is take an audio file of your track and put a low pass filter on the copy; you can set it anywhere but generally below 500hz with a low rolloff at 37hz. what this does, when you mix the copy back with the original, is simply make the low end louder; think about it- you've taken a copy of the track but only kept the low end on the copy and then added it back in- so the mids and highs are the same, but now the bass is louder.

openmind...wtf is up with you man? who said you could talk to nova like that? stop telling people to look at the thread and look at the damn thread yourself, because the answer is right there for you. we already said #1 it is not 50hz and below, it is 20hz. we also said #2 you dont use filters on the master bus, only shelving eq. thats all there is to know. look a low shelf eq works extremely simply; it creates a frequency "shelf" below its starting frequency. this shelf can be a boost or cut. so if you set a low shelf to 20hz and make it cut frequencies, it will simply cut frequencies below 20 hz, period. if you were to use a low pass filter at 20 hz, it would essentially do the same thing except around 20hz it would be sloppy with the signal; some frequencies at 21, 22, 23, 24hz etc would make it thru because even steep filters aren't 100% precise by nature. if you want to do a low frequency roll of at 20 or 37hz (a lot of engineers say the rumble between 20-37 hz isnt worth the slight amount of the same range that we can hear, so they cut from 37 on down) then feel free to, it can help your mix. personally i would advise you to do 37hz cuts, if you do them, on bass tracks and not the overall master fader. i dont really think shelving above 20khz will really make much of a difference.

and fix your damn attitude man, or otherwise you dont get advice liek this in the future. we're here to help each other, remember?
 
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open mind

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First of all, undamaged human hearing is 20hz-20khz. Although I'm more than certain that each and every one of you have hearing damage and can't hear all of that, the 20-20,000hz is the rule of thumb

I would never put a filter on the master fader unless it was automated for a desired effect. But for general mixes I don't put anything on the master fader. If you get your mix right, the master is really just your level meter and used for fade outs etc. For various project's if requested we use hardware on the master output. Diddy's album for example. I can't remember exactly what pieces we used but it was an EQ and compressor. Very light compression, basically used more for the warmth of the gear. Very light EQing as well. Mix the individual tracks, not the master.

Also, in my case, everything we mix usually ends up going to mastering. So our job is to just get the mix sounding as good as possible, the let mastering worry about any overal changes, which are very minor in most cases if the mix itself sounds right.

Also, if you cut out frequencies, you're losing the inaudible harmonics. Even let's say if you cut everything above 20khz, even though your ears can't hear those frequencies, your body can still feel them. Those harmonics can be important to the feel of a record
thank you very much.
 

Relic

Voice of Illmuzik Radio
ill o.g.
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Also, if you cut out frequencies, you're losing the inaudible harmonics. Even let's say if you cut everything above 20khz, even though your ears can't hear those frequencies, your body can still feel them. Those harmonics can be important to the feel of a record


Thank you ..thats what Im sayin.
 

Blue77

Beatmaker
ill o.g.
what exactly do you want to know about filters?

by the way the whole low end theory thing is a little overblown if you ask me. i see people on future producers talk about it like its a magical process...the only thing it does is make your low frequencies louder, nothing else. since you're doubling the track but only keeping the low end of the copy, its just making the bass louder when mixed back in. i guess thats cool but you can eq to do the same thing, and prsonally i think a properly applied multiband compressor can do the same thing even better. a multiband comp can actually make the drums thump harder instead of just being louder. it also depends on what type of production you do...if you do the old school boom bap stuff low end still has its place but you don't see as many producers who do new hip hop doing it now.

Is there a budget multiband compressor that works good, like a gemini mixer.Everybody knows gemini mixers are not the best, but they can get the job done.
 

Hi-Lo

ILLIEN
ill o.g.
Is there a budget multiband compressor that works good, like a gemini mixer.Everybody knows gemini mixers are not the best, but they can get the job done.

wave arts has some great and affordable plugins, but personally i use sonalksis plugs (which are pretty costly) or logic's built in multiband comp, so i dont know all that much about 3rd party stuff.
 

Blue77

Beatmaker
ill o.g.
wave arts has some great and affordable plugins, but personally i use sonalksis plugs (which are pretty costly) or logic's built in multiband comp, so i dont know all that much about 3rd party stuff.

Sorry, I guess I should have been more clear, I'm talking about hardware.
 
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