is it acceptable to sample?

that kid

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other producers melody's and flip it different? wit different drums or chop there melody different. like could you sample someone's piano melody chop it and add your own drums? is this acceptable digging? even if it's a new artist like say kanye or dre?- that kid enquiring minds wanna know-holla
 

Cleverwon

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Uh oh.... Here we go again.
 

50 cal

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cleverwon said:
Uh oh.... Here we go again.

lol that's what i said

that kid, you can sample whatever you want, but me i wouldn't do it. i try to look for the most obscure stuff i can find, stuff nobody would think of. Some people will sample stuff that's out today, and some people will tell you that it's un ethical and messed up to sample another hip hop artist. i'm not saying it's right or wrong cause like i said it's all on you.
 

bigdmakintrax

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Exactly, I mean think about it....the original musicians for the most part thought that hey what are these stupid loopers doing with our music......I mean the first Classic song that got violated by a sampler crossed the line as far as original creativity was concerned back then, plus there wasnt a lot of rearrangement...just looping ....so I dont feel that if I sample a sampler i am in violation of the unwritten hip hop producers Codes LOL hell we know that a lot known producers sample shit from new works and other producers quiet as its kept.....we know there is rampant theft of drums, basses or whatever, be it old or new.....I dont have any limits, if it is a sound I am going to use it, I dont care......some people have this view of stealing.........you might as well not sample soon as you start putting some rules or constraint on what can or cant be sampled.....just my opinion......I mean that rule on a respect level is sooooooo hippocritical if you cant sample some new shit or sample another producer.......just think how a lot of musicians feel about people taking their hours of creativity, working on a song for weeks or days and putting all together in practices etc....then someone comes along with a recorder (sampler etc, ) rearranges what they just did....THEN on top of that CALL IT THEIR SONG....its Crazy I tell ya...some might not mind....some might not like it....theres too much music to make to worry about that though....whether its just for your own experiments or to use on a demo.
 

that kid

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^^^^^yo i agree wit what you said that's why i'ma sample whatever i want? jus wanted to get peoples thoughts on the subject that's all....thanks- that kid
 

Vince

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yeah, i agree with NUG. And be prepared to get flamed. If you sample a good hip-hop track, and make some weak ass shit. People ain't gonna like it....
 

Fade

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A lot of people will say don't do it - but if you want to, do it. Just don't make it so obvious. For example, like in the song "Dre Day" - don't use that piano 'cause everyone will know. But if you want to take just 1 or 2 notes from a melody and flip it so no one can tell, yeah go for it. Lots of rap producers will sample other rap producers' drums, melody's a whole different thing though. Use at your discretion I say.
 

N.U.G.

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aye, does everyone know the 9th Wonder / Jay-Z Black Album remix album?

on the first or second track on there, there is a sample from the intro of "Outkast - ATLiens", does anyone know if that intro was sampled or original? and if it was sampled, do you think 9th Sampled it from Outkast or from the original sample?

I always wondered...
 

bigdmakintrax

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Exactly, now your idea of how you sample gonna be different...as you know I sample pretty ol skool and I chopp the hell out of any my joints, Fade is on point.....I know a couple insiders and yes they sample other peoples drums and maybe other things, steal drums from protools sessions etc when that big name is not looking...LOL....LOL but never a whole melody that would be insane unless you Missy......ha
 

Cold Truth

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to me........

i dont care what you sample, what you replay, or what you play... i dont care how the beat is made and if teh sample has been used or whatever the deal is...

if the beats bangin and stands on its own two, im all for it. if something decidedly unique can be done with it, all bets are off for me. i could care less how its done. i have no real "hip hop ethics" to be honest. my only ethic is if its in the interest of making good music, then almost anything goes.
 

Haze47

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^^^^ exactly,


ps, fuckng ssmple anything you want, then tell everyone else to FUCK OFF.....if they get at you that it....
 

Beatz 101

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if its hot its hot.

i sampled acouple joints otha producers already sampled and it came out either completely different, or it got my own personal flare to it.

the new track i got on my soundclick page right now sampled the same track Brandy sampled on "Who Is She 2 U?" from her last album.

but its a completely different flip.
 
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Svenghali

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As a producer it is not acceptable. I'm ridin' wit Class on this one, it's pretty wack. Part of what's wrong with the art of Hip Hop today is that we have no ethics. We jack, bite, and borrow. That shit ain't cool. We as producers MUST maintain the integrity of the art or continue to contribute to the watering down of our beautiful art form. We should aspire to inspire, u dig?


One time for Extra P (Large Pro) and JDilla.
 

bigdmakintrax

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Yeah you probably right but thats been happening waaaaaaay before now, there were no laws and ethics.....study your hip hop some more.....soon as block parties came out with a DJ that found the best break for the rapper on their block.....every DJ in every hood would run out and try and make songs off the record and flip the break almost the same...and a lot of times the same record.....I heard this right from Daddio.....Like I said before its hippocritical to sample from a live musician in the first place....so do two wrongs make a right ........naw probably not.......I just say do you , make your music and let the people be the judge of the art at the end product......oh yeah one time for Large Pro and JD...I with you on that....the only way you gonna come out on top is to be a musician.....make your original music and then you can REAlly call it yours because anything else is borrow, jacked and bitten in any element of a sample that you did not create......so I cannot say its wack....its the foundation.....sampling another producer has also been done along time ago too....none of this is new and there was no high rules of hip hop or ethics like you tryna make it into.....biting styles and jacking is part of hip hop.........I am in no way defending it but thats just the truth about the matter......
 

LEJENDERY

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personally, the only way I would sample the same track another producer sampled is if I know for sure I could flip it better... other than that , I usually like being the 1st one to sample a certain song.. but on another note, there was almost a beef started between Just Blaze & Alchemist after the Al sample on "hold u down" w/ prodigy... Just Blaze 1st sampled the same song on Hova's dynasty album "soon you'll understand".....Just said he didn't mind, long as they both gettin MONEY!
 

peter_neo

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I think that sampling is fine because you are basically just getting the sounds and reusing them in a different way (that is if you chop). It is almost the same thing as a keyboard with sampled sounds.

Also sampling gives beats a vibe or feeling that can't be created again.
 
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