^^^ and samplers, people are paying good prices on jd800 as its considered the last true va made by roland (before the groovebox romplers), the S750/S770 is almost identical in sound and synthesis for a quarter of the price...EMAXIII, Z8, S3200, E4xt even the asrx series sound very good, all can be had for the price of a plugin. Only a few VA synths will keep their values, stuff like a mint virus B, ATC or SE fully modded, a polymorph will keep value or beasts like andromeda ( though thats a matter of taste ) or weird stuff like the hartman neuron. Shit like nordrack are getting ditched, i personally dont like the sound and the nord mini is just too electro minimalish (its really played out over here), a nordrack one over here goes for 400 bucks, 800 for a virus b desktop (600 euro mint) which i dont understand, i got the C offered to me for 1000 euro 3 months after the release...dude bought 2 spares when they came out, box never been opened...and the mpc of course, i got 2 2kxl when they just came out...ive never ever seen 1 particulair piece of gear which has been offered so much as the mpc2000xl... many brandnew 2 month old on sale secondhand for bargain prices..you just had to love it if youre starting out on hiphop producing lol