George W. Bush: Last American President

[StressWon]

I think this whole religion and politics/NWO thing go hand in hand. I believe that Religion, especialy Chrsitianity was created by these evil masses. Religion is just another form of control. Havin religion and faith are very different.

Look at the link Smith put up about the Bohemian Grove. Some of the most powerful figures have been scene there, or even admitted to goin. Its nuttin but Pagan rituals,,,which goes back to religion and beliefs.

Buku said it best,,,its way deeper then we will ever know. Just have faith in yourself.

 

[LDB]

The flesh is weak. IMO having faith in "self" is a death sentence. How much damage do we do to "self" without having any outside influences? There's got to be a higher power that can right the wrongs of this world or at least help us to do so.

 

[manguino]

Too much bullshit conspiracy theories that hold no weight, just an alternative to reality. JFK's assassination, fake Holacaust, staged 911, people sometimes look too deep to find something to blame.

Who the fuck are we to judge if religion is making someone evil or a bad person? Sure religion has its bad points and it may be rooted on some bullshit, but if someone's living out their life that empowers them, why so much hate? Just like some people believe in karma or love, i don't understand the need to disestablish religion in any way.

 

[StressWon]

Too much bullshit conspiracy theories that hold no weight, just an alternative to reality. JFK's assassination, fake Holacaust, staged 911, people sometimes look too deep to find something to blame.

Who the fuck are we to judge if religion is making someone evil or a bad person? Sure religion has its bad points and it may be rooted on some bullshit, but if someone's living out their life that empowers them, why so much hate? Just like some people believe in karma or love, i don't understand the need to disestablish religion in any way.

Nah man,,,there are many conspiracies, but you have to look at facts when lookin into them.

JFK Assasination: Fact: He was shot from both the front and the back. First from behind after the car passes the sign, you see him lean foward and Jackie notices he's hurt and then Blam! History is made.

Holocaust: Never looked into it.

9-11: Regardless of who was in charge of the attacks, basic physics shows without a shadow of a doubt,,buildings don't fall the way the towers did without any sort of explosion/implosion. The rate of speed the came down is a giant factor. If the building did indeed topple down and collapse, it fell too fast. There was no resistance. Wouldn't the lower levels slow down the collapse?


As far as religion, i don't think it's bad to believe in somethin and have faith in all that. I was raised Roman Catholic. But, unlike most "conspiracists" I read and do my own research. I think we can judge religion all we want because we (humans) are the ones that created it. I believe in a pssible higher power, I'm no Atheist, but I would never follow a group blindly on old stories and books.

 

[Haze47]

word stress, word

 

[Relic]

Seriously though all masons aside...

I think the reason people arent going all 1969 hippie on the government is because this war started with an attack on the US by people who if you read their reasons why , or just watch Lord of War, have reason to be pissed off.

We do shady shit around the world BUT I think we support the military here , hell I do , and I dont think that we want to spit on our own people for going over there and kicking ass thus its sort of this wait and see mentality right now..
Granted the evil ones may be trying to restrict our rights BUT in WWII there is no way we could have even had this convo and in retrospect rightly so.
I dont think that history will show Bush as being right.. I dont know what history will show but not that.

I think the main point of right now should be how do we win the war?
Bush wont stay in office, the "illuminatti" will push their agenda as they always have, and someone else is gonna take the reigns, the weapons /military industrial complex WILL continue to make money, in the meantime we have OUR people fighting killing and dying in this war. NOt just US kids but the UK and Canada are huge players.As well as other countries around the world.
We have cats on this site that are involved in this war..personally..
I have had 3 people close to me deployed since this war began literally damn near every year.

I dont think its easy to go to war , be trained to kill and break all those commandments we are taught as children then return and expected to act as if nothing has happened and just slide back into our spoiled ass societies after participating in hell for over a year with the prospect of getting to return to see more kids alive one sec and blwn to hell the next just looming.

I want to see the guys at the top who decided that it would be profitable to start another war of religions back 70 years ago to get theirs..but they wont.. In the meantime Id like us to win because honestly everybody on this site no matter how remote their country has at least somebody in it .

That being said I go back to my thoughts after 911..conspiracies aside because there IS an Al-queada and they are trying to kill us.
How the hell do you fight an enemy whos only uniform is their state of mind?
Thats how we end up P-noid of our own governments , we dont know who it is..
We cant round up all arabs and put them in camps.. I wouldnt want to , they are just people like us non arabs essentially..

There IS a political solution to this, and of course this administrations not interested in figuiring that out....
In the meantime I support our peeps , meaning ALL people on the ground and in the air fighting this thing for the misguided fuckers who are trying to make a buck.

Everytime I see a cat in prostetics that I know was from an IED or some shit I got to give that guy and his fam props..Let alone the ones who were just killed mentally.I , thank God, have never been privy to witnessing the tragedy of 150 people, including kids, blown everywhere by a car or truck bomb and have no interest in seeing it happen here.

Sorry ranting here but for real I appreciate the folks and think it would be better if we can find a root strategy here...as an international hiphop peoples thing...

 

[LDB]

Our only strategy is to "get the hell out of places" we don't belong. No soldier over there dying for nothing is worth it. We can't fault anybody for coming over here trying to do us when we're in covert operations all over the world testing new weapons on innocent people and doing to to them what we would never allow them to do to us in our own back yard. Wrong is wrong and right is right. That war will never be won because it's unwinable. You can't enslave people in their own land. They have to live there...not us. You can't back a dog in a corner and not expect it to bite yo ass. We should get out of there now. Bring our brave men and women home to protect "home." Shit....we can't even rescue our own people in L.A with weeks warning of a devestating storm.

If our soldiers ever do come home we're going to have another Post-Vietnam on our hands. Those kids are going to be super fucked up mentally and physically and the gov't is not going to do a damn thing for them. They'll be strung out on drugs from trying to cope with so much death and destruction. They'll be offing themselves and anybody they feel is responsible for there condition. It won't be pretty...trust me. If you were 18 or so when u went over there and you've been back and forth there for the last 6 years, you'll know nothing but war when u or if you get back home.

The thing is, I don't think they're coming home....we'll be in a world war with Iran during or soon after that shit is over. We'll have a generation of men who know nothing but war..death and destruction. I love my country but we're going to pay for doing dirty in places we don't belong for oil and the love of money.

 

[StressWon]

I think Republican candidate Ron Paul said it best,"Stop policing the world and lets focus whats going on in our backyard."

I agree, many types of people out there want to kill Americans, but it's because of our leaders and not our freedoms. That's what the machine wants us to think tho.

 

[Relic]

We can't fault anybody for coming over here trying to do us when we're in covert operations all over the world testing new weapons on innocent people and doing to to them what we would never allow them to do to us in our own back yard.

You can't enslave people in their own land. They have to live there...not us. You can't back a dog in a corner and not expect it to bite yo ass. We should get out of there now. Shit....we can't even rescue our own people in L.A with weeks warning of a devestating storm.

If our soldiers ever do come home we're going to have another Post-Vietnam on our hands. Those kids are going to be super fucked up mentally and physically and the gov't is not going to do a damn thing for them. They'll be strung out on drugs from trying to cope with so much death and destruction. They'll be offing themselves and anybody they feel is responsible for there condition. It won't be pretty...trust me.

Kay first off I WILL OFF anybody commin here to off us, most will, thats why the surge in signups, that thought they were going somewhere else than Iraq.
You CAN enslave people in they own land if not Alexander The Great would have never had "the great" on that shit..read about him dude was great at that shit..
Yes AS our people return home we NEED to help them in every aspect that was part of my posts point. I love these guys and gals for doin what they went and did cause it aint cool..
I mean road rage aint shit to "go clean up all those kids bodies while they peoples throw rocks at you" type shit..
I know we dont trust cops...but imagine if the cops fire RPG's at you when you went put to stop the "bad guys" .. Thats the shit they been facin for 18 months at a time thats longer than a Nam tour..

Also we test crazy shit on our own people all the time..

 

[LDB]

Do u watch the news? The gov't has already drop'd the ball when it comes to our troops. If they're not doing shit for the few that are fucked up and at home now. Do u really think they'll put a dent in this shit if they come home by the thousands. Ever heard of Gulf War Syndrome. I got plenty friends f'd up from some shit no one has any clue of what it is. Crippled....on canes. KIds retarded and deformed. Did u miss what went down at the V.A hospital just a few weeks ago? Soldiers being substandardly treated and recovering in rooms with roaches with rodents running through out their shit.

Man....I went to desert storm...I ran behind the tanks and supported our Artillery units. I served my country at war time. We could have ended this shit then. We walked Saddam and his Army right back into Iraq and were told to turn around and never look back. Bushie boyz war was started in part because afterwards Saddam put a hit out on his Father.

Unlike Vietnam the gov't has sensored what's really going on. After during Vietname we saw the body bags coming home. In this War u damn near see nothing. Troups are being killed by the dozens every day. They won't show that because it would turn everybody against this b.s war.

Of course people are going to sign up when they think we've been attacked, and that it may happen again. That's the American way. We'd rather do u in your back yard than to let u come to ours. I support that theory. Get them before they get us. But we fucked with them first and not viceversa.
They show'd us still photos of "terrorist" after the fact. How convient was that. Who let them in the country in the first place? Damn sure wasn't me and u. The television, radio and this damn pc are powerful mediums. It's very easy to be deceived now a days. The gov't knows the have us fucked up. We just keep doing the one two step while big brother runs a muck. They don't need to implant a chip in most of us. We're already brain washed beyond recovery!!!!!!

I don't know where u were trying to go with that Alexander the great statement and being enslaved. My point was that this is 2007 and the whole world frowns on enslaving anybody. And when I refer to being enslaved its not in the sense of a ball and chain. It's mentally and socially. Pushing "democracy" on people because u think its the best thing since sliced bread...hell no. The conquesdadores still live....they're called the United States Government!

 

[Relic]

No Im saying old style warfare when they beat you they just forced you to fight with them .
Thats what I meant by the Alexander thing..
I heard a good theory on the Gulf War syndrome is from the spent urainium rounds they use over there.
The rest I agree with you completely and yeah I been watchin the VA thing for quite a while..

 

[StressWon]

proves my theory isn't far fetched...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_D._Roosevelt