me personally i hate that shit... i enjoy the process of the producer and the artists working together in person to create a concept and vision for the song. To me, thats the only way that the song can come out right. I have done work over the net that came out hot, but still not the way i envisioned it. I could not imagine putting togther this smash project with class over the net. the shit just wouldnt have worked. Anybody else feel the same way? Im often hesitant to do work with people over the net. Some people i know come official evrytime so i dont worry about that .. but for the most part i hate doing net collabs. Is evrybody like that or is it just me? ....Like somebody has to be MAD professional and talented for me to work for them over the net. Like if ur working with an artist over the net they gotta be "there" already whereas if u are working in person u have a better chance of turning something good into great, or something great into something classic...etc.. Thoughts?
Does anybody else despise working with artists over the net?
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mercurywaters
hip hop in the flesh
i think the key to what you said is whether on the net or in person, you have to be professional. i've worked for years with dudes who come to the studio unprepared and waste time and money. i'd rather you do all that on your own time rather than mine. over the net works better in some instances. i did a whole album with wings over the net because i had to. there was no way i was going to israel. lol.
i feel u merc.. we did some good songs over the net lol... i think what i am tryin to say is that there are some people i get in contact with, they are feeling my beats or whatever and the wanna work with me. I will check out there music and it sounds good but is missing something.... i think that i could get that "something" out of them in person but not over the net. Like i said, with somebody real talented,professional, and established doing stuff over the net is fairly easy. But for somebody whos shit isnt quite there, but has crazy potential and a great attitude and work ethic, its hard to work with that person imo. basically there are some new/up and coming artists out there that i would seriously fuck wit if they were local but they are not so i don't.
DJ Excellence
ILLIEN
Net or not, it doesn t really matter. I like emcees that really take the time to tell me what they want (what kind of atmosphere they re looking for, song concept, phrases they want me to scratch, etc ...)
On the internet, that kind of request can be difficult to express, but if one s really motivated , it shouldn t be a problem. I met so many talented individuals through the net, I really think it s a excellent networking tool, nowadays you have access to a huge pool of emcees, deejays and producers all around the world ... not using it would be a waste
On the internet, that kind of request can be difficult to express, but if one s really motivated , it shouldn t be a problem. I met so many talented individuals through the net, I really think it s a excellent networking tool, nowadays you have access to a huge pool of emcees, deejays and producers all around the world ... not using it would be a waste
H&R
DJ Nice // Crack City
ill o.g.
I have no problem with it as long as the artist is professional and up to par quality ...
I met my artist Bob Kennedy via the net thru another producer about 2 years back
and we've been working together ever since and it's been nothing but success ... He
just landed a 1 album deal with an over seas indie uk album which I and my partner
producing a majority of the tracks ... Also doing work with Tom Gist & S.A.S of Dipset
who I linked up with over the net as well ... Their millions of bad artists but I've linked
up with ones that are serious and really making moves so it's been all positive for me.
Project done via the net w/artist (Me in hoody on back cover)
I met my artist Bob Kennedy via the net thru another producer about 2 years back
and we've been working together ever since and it's been nothing but success ... He
just landed a 1 album deal with an over seas indie uk album which I and my partner
producing a majority of the tracks ... Also doing work with Tom Gist & S.A.S of Dipset
who I linked up with over the net as well ... Their millions of bad artists but I've linked
up with ones that are serious and really making moves so it's been all positive for me.
Project done via the net w/artist (Me in hoody on back cover)
So far everybody I have worked with over the net has been good and really professional.
In fact I prefer it to some of the sessions I've had in person..
This way I dont have some potential lunitic in my crib lol.
But I feel what your saying Ash..
In fact I prefer it to some of the sessions I've had in person..
This way I dont have some potential lunitic in my crib lol.
But I feel what your saying Ash..
i never said the internet wasnt a great networking tool... theres no denying that.. i have met alot of dope artists including classic and my manager throught the net and fucked with some established artists and recieved interest from some majors all through the net. what Im sayin Im not the biggest of fan of developing and "going in" with an artists over the net. In other words, "molding" an artist is diffulcult over the net, to me at least, where as in person its fairly simple. unfortunately, for me, "molding" and developing is the most fun part of producing imo. when u an the artist are in the studio making your vision a reality. Coaching, guidance, little nuances..etc.... some people are content with sending beats and getting back a finished product and a check and thats fine, but i prefer the "full experince" with my music. think about it this way... if the artist is that good and professional over the net. how much MORE better would it be if u got togther and made tracks? Im a perfectionist ... like i said ive worked with many people and made some hot shit all through the net... but imo NOTHING beats a quality face to face session.
Depends on your purpose on the project.
Some people get selling a track/beat to somebody with actually producing the song/artist. There's a big difference! If you're producing the "song" you have to be there with the artist because they've hired you to not only musically produce the track but also to guide the creative processes. Most producers can't do both unless they came from a vocalist or Emcee background. If someone cop'n tracks from you over the net they're not necessarily asking you to produce the song.
I actually think working with people over the net gets you ready for the big leagues. Very seldom do artist that collab these days meet up at one studio in person. It usually requires shuffling tracks and vocals back and forth online or thru the mail. Once an artist reaches a certain level and they have other life things going on, they're not trying to fly to NY from L.A. to drop one verse on someones song. With technology being the way it is today there's really no need to do that. I understand about wanting to get that certain feel, but alot of peeps expect everyone to do there part professionally no matter what the circumstances are.
Some people get selling a track/beat to somebody with actually producing the song/artist. There's a big difference! If you're producing the "song" you have to be there with the artist because they've hired you to not only musically produce the track but also to guide the creative processes. Most producers can't do both unless they came from a vocalist or Emcee background. If someone cop'n tracks from you over the net they're not necessarily asking you to produce the song.
I actually think working with people over the net gets you ready for the big leagues. Very seldom do artist that collab these days meet up at one studio in person. It usually requires shuffling tracks and vocals back and forth online or thru the mail. Once an artist reaches a certain level and they have other life things going on, they're not trying to fly to NY from L.A. to drop one verse on someones song. With technology being the way it is today there's really no need to do that. I understand about wanting to get that certain feel, but alot of peeps expect everyone to do there part professionally no matter what the circumstances are.
i think im having trouble explaining myself... i agree with evrything all u guys are saying... but producing for an established and /or professional artists is a whole diffrent thing than taking an artist and molding him under your guidance. Im speaking about the latter. Im talking about the come up. Spotting raw talent, developing and molding it into great music. Imo its diffuclt over the net. When i say "working" with artist i really mean "working" with them ... like working with them to mold them into the next big thing, i dont mean producing beats for them. Of course i can shoot a track to da homie cyserro or trife and get back a dope ass song, but those guys are already dope and well versed and have developed their craft. I want to develop an artist completely under my sound.. kinda like outkast w/ organized noise. Something diffrent but hot. Like , no other rappers at the time would have rapped over those trax but they were crazy and ended up being classics. That what im talking about. That type of understanding and chemistry imo is difficult over the net.
bigdmakintrax
BeatKreatoR
There's nothing like the atmosphere of hitting the basement or home studio with the artist, the first meeting, you getting a feel for them and their SWAGGER---this aspect is what you cannot put together across the internet in no way, shape or form...for me i am true to form working with artists for hours putting the project together, giving input on delivery,,,,,telling them, hey don't you think you are standing a lil too close to the mic LOL...or just everything that goes along with production....I do not have artists I give a beat to and say hasta lavista hit me up when you're done, if so very rarely...I MUST have creative input on the story, the delivery and overall way the song sounds for the most part.
It is easy to collaborate on the net though because you don't have to do a whole lot in the way of whats going on, except maybe assisting in structuring the beat for the emcee etc....but producing for me must really consist of working with the artist 1 on 1, seeing how they react to your Beat CD and pick one to go on, or they spontaneously start writing to it!!! Good Post Ash
It is easy to collaborate on the net though because you don't have to do a whole lot in the way of whats going on, except maybe assisting in structuring the beat for the emcee etc....but producing for me must really consist of working with the artist 1 on 1, seeing how they react to your Beat CD and pick one to go on, or they spontaneously start writing to it!!! Good Post Ash
aahhhhhh yes big d i feel u brotha! .. thats what im talkin bout!
Ash! I agreed with you. Rearrange the 3rd sentence and replace some of the words and you'll see.
When I said "some people" I was not referring to you specifically. I was just pointing out the diff for new producers to the game that may not know the differnce between making a beat for someone and producing a song for someone. When I first started I didn't know the diff. A beat is one thing but it's not a song til you got vocals, correct?
I basically said I don't think it's possible to properly "produce" a song if you're not there with the artist. I just said it from the stand point of them hiring you as opposed to you finding them. You can't tell them "yo....those adlibs don't flow" try this....or "give me more energy on these bars right here". You can do it if you shuffle tracks to and from, but it takes longer and you don't get the same feel. You don't get that spontaneous fire you would get if everybody was in the studio at the same time.
With that said, now a days people aren't getting in the studio together due to technology and distance. At the end of the day you still have to get 'er done you feel me?
When I said "some people" I was not referring to you specifically. I was just pointing out the diff for new producers to the game that may not know the differnce between making a beat for someone and producing a song for someone. When I first started I didn't know the diff. A beat is one thing but it's not a song til you got vocals, correct?
I basically said I don't think it's possible to properly "produce" a song if you're not there with the artist. I just said it from the stand point of them hiring you as opposed to you finding them. You can't tell them "yo....those adlibs don't flow" try this....or "give me more energy on these bars right here". You can do it if you shuffle tracks to and from, but it takes longer and you don't get the same feel. You don't get that spontaneous fire you would get if everybody was in the studio at the same time.
With that said, now a days people aren't getting in the studio together due to technology and distance. At the end of the day you still have to get 'er done you feel me?
I don't see any problems working on the net but I have to say that in most cases, working in person is much better. I own a mastering studio with a vocal booth and I brought a cat in thats got mad skillz when he's at home in his enviroment but when he gets around the equiptment and the real world of recording it shakes him up a little. I've also seen the exact opposite. As a preference, I'd rather work with an artist in person just because you can get a better feel for each other. Real World Studios goes so far as to provide a comfortable atmosphere for the artist. Alot of recording studios are trying to attrack people by giving them the feel of whatever the song is about...i.e. if the song is grimey and dirty, they will put grimey and dirty movies on in the lounge or grimey and dirty pics up throughout the studio, a clever gimic but the idea is to try and help set the tone. None of this is really possible over the net. Then again, cats like mercury waters can throw a bomb at you from thousands of miles away. It really just depends...
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Chrono
polyphonically beyond me
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 5
my problem is that i need to evolve more to reach a peak of potential that i respect. I have not reached one of those peaks yet so it's kinda like a waste of both of our times. My evolution more than anything is the music and vocals, so when i can't work on the music i feel like im missing the party. Although i am working on a project with a member here that i have put on the backburner until i can achieve a respectible skills and motivation. right now its all about the guitar, mpc an pt 
shadeed
Go Digital or Go Home
ill o.g.
Nuff said. The internet is becoming more and more valuable but in person still has its place.
Yeah, when you work in "person" you can gauge the level of commitment of each party. You can also vibe off one another which can cause a spontaneous effect that can alter the who project.
You just cant beat "real time" "face to face" communication.
You just cant beat "real time" "face to face" communication.
D
David_Edwards
Guest
I hate working over the net! I've gotten burned by buyers before and unless I think it is a great, one time kind of opportunity to work with someone very talented, I try not to do it anymore
Collabing on the net is dope...its the way to go nowdays...its necessary for hip hop to get more global and spread love...but nothing beats that "person to person" connection when it comes to creativity between two or more people...the whole energy of whats being done seems to reflect in the music.