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ILLIEN
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Do what sounds right is the bottom line. You should really read up on compression and how to use it. If you just jump in and start compressing stuff, you'll ruin a lotta good beats before you get the hang of it.

I like PSP VintageWarmer on drums, samples, and keyboards, and Waves Ren Compressor on vocals.
 

mikemat

ILLIEN
ill o.g.
A producer with a lot of compression would be Timbaland tracks, he uses it right so it sounds crisp but the overall sound has obvious compression to a trained ear. Generally when making a grimier beat you should be using less compression but as for me I EQ and compress every single sound by itself even if it means almost no noticeable changes. Vocals ALWAYS benefit from some sort of compression, it has become the main ingredient to that professional sound you hear nowadays. Compression overall can help you blend a mix together better and my absolute favorite use of it is when I stack multiple instruments for one sound, I then compress the instruments as one and it succesfully blends them into one crisper sound.

For example you want some heavy brass with a lot of flavor you can stack strings, brass, bass and even a synth and then compress them as one and they will stick together better making for a cleaner sound.

Finally I will throw some compression on the overall mix and set it by ear, you definitely can't overdo this part or it will ruin your mix. In the end, compression and EQ is what makes an ok beat a great beat.
 
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thedreampolice said:
Again I must point to this article

http://prorec.com/prorec/articles.nsf/articles/8A133F52D0FD71AB86256C2E005DAF1C

Good music has dynamics, compression can be used to either remove the dynamics or color the sound. Thats why you hear about the "SSL" sound, they use it for coloration. Compression is simply a useful tool to solve a problem but I have heard it ruin many albums. You really need to study and understand compression.

this article is a lil revolution for me that throwed everything away what i thought. from this point now.i completely understand and absolutely agree with the article.here is my conclusion

a compressor is an effect that resolves problems that can be resolved WITHOUT it and WITHOUT fuckin the sound off.sure it takes more time to handle it but its worth it and it gives the vocals more space if u dont compress the instruments\drums
then only channels i will compress is the vocal channels because its really hard to controll the volume peaks even if u use automation of the channel fader.

if u dont understand what i mean just watch the WAVE form of the diffrent pics in the article posted.

compression even if its just a lil of it DESTROYS the sound and sounds syntetic i want my shit naturall good sounding.i really HIGHLY RECOMMEND to read the FULL article then u gonna understand everything.this article was one of the most important things i read about mixing so far it was a huge step for me. it really puts me on some NEXT level shit.



ask yourself what music was better sounding music this days (brutal compressed)
or late music let say the soul from the 70 or jazz (that most of us sample because of the soul of it and warm sound) this music from back in the days wasnt compressed at all!

now u get the point? peace. now lets make some good shit!

FUCK A COMPRESSOR!!!!
 

sYgMa

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mmmmh... well, I get your point, and, of course, compression IS a destrucive process (as EQ is), but you do need it at some point. Specially in hiphop.
 
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sYgMa said:
mmmmh... well, I get your point, and, of course, compression IS a destrucive process (as EQ is), but you do need it at some point. Specially in hiphop.
true that on vocals for example its really a must but if its avoidable i dont use it.
 

sYgMa

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open mind said:
true that on vocals for example its really a must but if its avoidable i don't use it.
Well, that's true if you use it to decrease the dynamics, but it can be used as a shape modeler... like to give bump to the drums, or to have a certain effect on an instrument.

It can be used as a tool, like the flanger, or the chorus...
 

Hypnotist

Ear Manipulator
ill o.g.
Compression can definitely destroy your track if not used properly. True, it's easy to look at meters and see what clips/doesn't clip or jump out, but one of the most difficult things is learning how to actually HEAR the compression and what it's doing.

My teachers used to explain that it's a "breathing-like" sound that you hear your signal doing. Although I believe that's a good way to put it, you'll never fully recognize the sound for yourself until you A/B the mix with/without the compression.

Some of the obvious things that stick out (especially when overdoing it, just to be able to recognize it without subtlety) are that the loud volumes get hushed, and the whispers and breaths get loud.

What else does it do? You'll notice that although compression and equalization are two completely different things, compression DOES affect the frequencies in your signal, whether you like it or not. Take a lead vocal that happens to be very sibilant (presence in the 7-10kHz range)... Put that through a compressor and make the ratio high and the threshold low and you'll notice that it will be much less sibilant than it was. Take a vocal track that has a low presence and do the same thing, and you'll hear it thin out slightly.

Basically, it's okay to use it. Overuse is very common in amateur production. (As opposed to back in the days when amateurs couldn't afford compressors and their mixes would be too quiet). Be moderate with compression and you'll LOVE it.

But remember that a MIXED song is a MIXED song. That's what it means... Mixed. Most of you are probably tired of me spelling this out, but I can't say it enough: MAKE SURE YOU MIX YOUR TRACK BEFORE YOU PUT A COMPRESSOR ON THE MASTER.

As for the other stuff... I usually won't compress a kick drum track that is already one signal (i.e. it's one sample of a kick drum with one level or MIDI velocity). If a kick drum was banged out by an actual drummer, then I would compress it so levels wouldn't go haywire, and maybe gate it too, so that I wouldn't get leakage from the snare drum and toms. I MIGHT compress the overall drum sub-mix to tighten it up a LITTLE, but I like the fact that my kick is driving the record. Just remember that if your kick is very loud compared to the rest of your mix, if you put a compressor or limiter on your master fader, your kick drum will be the one thing that limits everything else. Try it with a very loud kick, and then mute the kick half-way through the song and you'll hear everything get dramatically loud.

As for vocals... well, I compress the living shit outta them. I usually compress when tracking/recording so my levels won't clip going to tape... then I compress individually on tracks, as each vocal is different and independent from the rest... THEN, I sometimes bus all the vocals out to a sub-group and compress that too! And if I have a compressor on the master, then that's FOUR TIMES that the vocals have gone through a compressor! Which means "Compressing in moderation" has a whole new meaning. I have to make sure every time I compress I will do it VERY moderately and JUST ENOUGH to make a slight difference.

I hope this little rant helps in practical matters of compression. Read as many articles as you can on the matter and it will help AS LONG AS YOU PRACTICE alongside your reading to make sure you GET IT and HEAR IT.

P.S. Good shit, Open Mind... You seem to be taking this seriously and reading articles as they're gold and then seeing the results when you practice what was preached. Keep it up.

-Hypno
 
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slowly but surely after huge tests and pain in the ear :) iam gettin familar with compression and understand its use on LIMITED DYNAMIC RANGE area.its growing on me and its one of my favorite FX.i highly recommend to do lots of audio test with it besides reading articles to fully understand and hear what compression does and whatnot.

thank you all.
 
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