Nottz is sick, but i remember him bringing beats over to the studio i worked out of in VA on a few ocassions, at that time his beats were aight, now to see this he's grown so much, btw that was about 6 or 7 years ago, he was already known in many local circles then, so that should give an idea of how long it takes to really get shit going tho....people on the outer limits just now getting a whiff the last few years.... oh yeah Vee Ay all day