thedreampolice
A backwards poet writes inverse.
That is all...
Anyone who thinks a president will change their socioeconomic status is insane
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by the same token .. i think anybody who thinks the bush administration had nothing to do with the country getting this fucked up ... is also insane .. so a bad administration can get us into trouble but a better one cant get us out? I dont follow the logic there... Im not sayin Obama is gonna be the that guy. But to say that the right policies in place won't have positive change is wrong to say imo.. With huge companies and small businesses and individuals going bankrupt left and right .. yes .. i do think a president can make change .. if somebody can fuck it up, somebody can rebuild it..
thedreampolice
A backwards poet writes inverse.
ha ha, no I was just venting. I am tired of hearing people say "I voted for Obama because I am sick of being poor" Well guess what that is up to you! Do you want to go back to school? Try and get a better job? Start a business? Be willing to fail over and over again until you find success? NO president can do that for you period!
BTW I am for the Electoral vote.
BTW I am for the Electoral vote.
7thangel
7th Angel of Armageddon
ill o.g.
not really related but....
http://www.236.com/news/2008/11/10/no_you_cant_telling_your_kid_t_10164.php
"No, you can't"- telling your kid that he's not going to be the next Obama
Did Barack Obama's win make your dumb kid think he can be president? Even though he can't find a map of the world on a map of the world? Obama's success means the rest of us have to have "the talk" with our children, in which we'll explain that there is no f*cking way their retarded asses are going to be President of the United States so please do not say that's why you can't clean your room, you lazy sacks of shit. What? Mom loves you!
How did we break down the news to our little ones? We broke it down by percentages.
http://www.236.com/news/2008/11/10/no_you_cant_telling_your_kid_t_10164.php
"No, you can't"- telling your kid that he's not going to be the next Obama
Did Barack Obama's win make your dumb kid think he can be president? Even though he can't find a map of the world on a map of the world? Obama's success means the rest of us have to have "the talk" with our children, in which we'll explain that there is no f*cking way their retarded asses are going to be President of the United States so please do not say that's why you can't clean your room, you lazy sacks of shit. What? Mom loves you!
How did we break down the news to our little ones? We broke it down by percentages.
Why You Can't Be President
*You're stupid. 4%
*You're white. On both sides. 18%
*You're gay. Yes, we know. And sorry, but it's gonna be awhile. 22%
*We're the Heaths of Wasilla, and you're our daughter, Sarah. .01%
*Whenever you have a math test, you like to "suspend your campaign." 16%
*You're our dog. Now get off the goddamn couch or we're giving you to the Obamas. 7%
*You're stupid. 4%
*You're white. On both sides. 18%
*You're gay. Yes, we know. And sorry, but it's gonna be awhile. 22%
*We're the Heaths of Wasilla, and you're our daughter, Sarah. .01%
*Whenever you have a math test, you like to "suspend your campaign." 16%
*You're our dog. Now get off the goddamn couch or we're giving you to the Obamas. 7%
Poor people voted for him because theyre sick of being poor and NO ONE CARING ABOUT IT. Anyone with common sense knows that he or she is in control of their own success. Atleast Obama came down to the peoples level to speak on it. He has plans to take some pressure off of poor folk through tax relief. Point blank Obama knows where the poeple are coming from...Chris Rock said in this months issue of the SOURCE..."John McCain has about twelve houses, Obama has one house...Obama would be more worried about losing his house because he has one, John McCain could afford to lose some houses and it still would not hurt him". People voted for him because theyre poor and he can relate. Why you so fucked up over Obamas win anyway? I mean you really not feeling this guy. Ever since he's become president elect I can sense a lil change...its like each passing day has a comfortable uncertainty about it.
lol, @ all the bitter McCain supporters!!
They cant help themselves and they cant stop.
One fool I work with said because Obama started a website dedicated to the president elect that that is equal to a whole new branch of government and big government is already starting! LOL
People who say shit like that dont realize they sound like they just said "Dogs have tentacles, because General Westmoreland lost Waterloo." I just have to laugh and wonder how they come up with petty shit like this.
Its worse at my job , all the closet racists cant help themselves and are coming out of the closet! lol
Im just gonna do what all the Bush supporters did and turn anyone talking shit about the president into the secret police. Republicans like and understand that method.
Feel free to vent though Dream! Free speech baby!!
I didnt realize that you could make over 200 grand a year at SW! I need to get on there!
They cant help themselves and they cant stop.
One fool I work with said because Obama started a website dedicated to the president elect that that is equal to a whole new branch of government and big government is already starting! LOL
People who say shit like that dont realize they sound like they just said "Dogs have tentacles, because General Westmoreland lost Waterloo." I just have to laugh and wonder how they come up with petty shit like this.
Its worse at my job , all the closet racists cant help themselves and are coming out of the closet! lol
Im just gonna do what all the Bush supporters did and turn anyone talking shit about the president into the secret police. Republicans like and understand that method.
Feel free to vent though Dream! Free speech baby!!
I didnt realize that you could make over 200 grand a year at SW! I need to get on there!
i watched obama on larry king yesterday and i was so relieved to finally hear an american (nearly) president speak with empathy, cautiousness and an understanding for global politics.
you know hes "just" the president, but as cornell west said on that maher show with mos def, he can be a catalyst for change. simply because hes giving a good example and he has the sympathies.
you know hes "just" the president, but as cornell west said on that maher show with mos def, he can be a catalyst for change. simply because hes giving a good example and he has the sympathies.
absolutely
thedreampolice
A backwards poet writes inverse.
You all know I hate McCain and I am actually not talking shit about Obama. I have heard many times since the election someone say something to the effect of "I am glad I wont be poor anymore". Its blows my mind. Relic....You can make over 200k at SW but you work your ass off for 10+ years before you do. The top sales guys in the company make that much and they earn every penny.
Ominous
OminousRed.com
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 21
I don't think a Pres can make you rich... but I think a Pres can make you poor.
I don't know if you guys have been watching CSPAN at all, but that is where you can find all the info you need on what is happening right now. While FOX news is interviewing Palin in her kitchen making hot dogs talking that same "MAVERICK" bullshit and CNN is letting Lou Dobbs just complain about everything without helping come up with solutions.... CSPAN had Barry Zigas, the Vice President of Fannie Mae from 93 - 06 break down this whole market melt down.
I don't want to get into the details... but if you guys do want to know what is going on, you need to watch CSPAN. 3 words...
Bank of America
I don't know if you guys have been watching CSPAN at all, but that is where you can find all the info you need on what is happening right now. While FOX news is interviewing Palin in her kitchen making hot dogs talking that same "MAVERICK" bullshit and CNN is letting Lou Dobbs just complain about everything without helping come up with solutions.... CSPAN had Barry Zigas, the Vice President of Fannie Mae from 93 - 06 break down this whole market melt down.
I don't want to get into the details... but if you guys do want to know what is going on, you need to watch CSPAN. 3 words...
Bank of America
7thangel
7th Angel of Armageddon
ill o.g.
as far as the bitters, they're gettin' their info and talking points from places like redstate and douchebags limbaugh and savage and the wingnuts. you can either get frustrated, laugh at them or provoke them with even crazier stories and then laugh at them.
i.e. yesterday at rebuildtheparty (a repub internet site asking for ideas and votes for rebuilding the gop) somebody suggested trucknutz for all real americans and such and once word got out at some places like wonkette, it went from a couple of hundred votes to 4000+, doubling the paultards suggestions. eventually after about 12 hrs, the admin got rid of the leading suggestion, trucknutz, but the fight lives on. tell the bitters that you just got an email stating that all white families must give up their 'womyns' and that it will be enforced by baracks civil fascist, communist, marxist, black nationalist, islamofascist, gay married police force
i.e. yesterday at rebuildtheparty (a repub internet site asking for ideas and votes for rebuilding the gop) somebody suggested trucknutz for all real americans and such and once word got out at some places like wonkette, it went from a couple of hundred votes to 4000+, doubling the paultards suggestions. eventually after about 12 hrs, the admin got rid of the leading suggestion, trucknutz, but the fight lives on. tell the bitters that you just got an email stating that all white families must give up their 'womyns' and that it will be enforced by baracks civil fascist, communist, marxist, black nationalist, islamofascist, gay married police force
dahkter
Ill Muzikoligist
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 4
To Ominous - what's up with Bank of America? I do all of my banking with them, curious what you heard. CSPAN is definitely the truth, however can be so damn boring. They should invest in some better multimedia.
In reply to this thread:
- regarding socioeconomic status, look at the doctor making 150k with 175k in bills every year, on paper he's in worse economic shape than the person living off of welfare.
- if people find inspiration in having a new President, and see things differently and apply themselves, more power to em.
- Bush's fiscal policy was made for the wealthy. One of Obama's campaing promises was to increase taxes on those making 200k or more. If you make less, you will pay less taxes. So in that case, people who have jobs that pay less than 200k will have more money at the end of the day.
- regarding economics - it's a social science, it's open to interpretation. this is due to the fact that you can't always quantify what decisions people will make. Some things are pretty certain (price goes up, supply remains constant, demand goes down), however take it all with a grain of salt.
In reply to this thread:
- regarding socioeconomic status, look at the doctor making 150k with 175k in bills every year, on paper he's in worse economic shape than the person living off of welfare.
- if people find inspiration in having a new President, and see things differently and apply themselves, more power to em.
- Bush's fiscal policy was made for the wealthy. One of Obama's campaing promises was to increase taxes on those making 200k or more. If you make less, you will pay less taxes. So in that case, people who have jobs that pay less than 200k will have more money at the end of the day.
- regarding economics - it's a social science, it's open to interpretation. this is due to the fact that you can't always quantify what decisions people will make. Some things are pretty certain (price goes up, supply remains constant, demand goes down), however take it all with a grain of salt.
LMAO!!! thats funny
well the movie zeitgiest 2 urges people that have accounts with them (bank of america) to close them out, if you are employed with them...QUIT! I think the problem with BOA is that they are the biggest supporters of the world bank...you know the bank that creates money out of thin air and fucks up the value of a dollar. I wish I had the knowledge to go more in depth...
dahkter
Ill Muzikoligist
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 4
That's interesting, I think a lot of corporations are involved in dirty shit. The drug companies are straigh up evil, the oil companies too. I'm sure the banks do some dirty shit of their own also.
However, for me it doesn't apply. My balances are always near zero. BOA has also been great about removing fees when I call or visit them. All of my accounts are also free, so no monthly charges to support their possible evildoings.
I hear you though, however organizing corporate boycotts is damn near impossible. Try to tell people not to shop at Walmart, however when you're on a budget, and need to eat and have clothes, you don't really give a shit that their business practices are destroying the U.S.
yeah I feel you but sooner or later cats is gonna have to become more contious of how and where their money is spent. Wal-Mart basically has destroyed "mom and pop" businesses. I mean you go to Wal-Mart and get everything you need...WITHOUT EVEN CONSIDERING GOING ANYPLACE ELSE. All I'm saying is that "YOU GOTTA SPREAD THE WEALTH AROUND".
http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/3862/
Slavoj Žižek, a philosopher and psychoanalyst, is a senior researcher at the Institute for Advanced Study in the Humanities, in Essen, Germany. He is the author of, among many other books, The Fragile Absolute and Did Somebody Say Totalitarianism?
The Audacity of Rhetoric
By Slavoj Zizek
In January, when the United States remembered the tragic death of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., an urban history professor at the University of Buffalo named Henry Louis Taylor Jr., bitterly remarked: “All we know is that this guy had a dream. We don’t know what that dream was.”
Taylor was referring to an erasure of historical memory after King’s 1963 march on Washington, after he was cheered as “the moral leader of our nation.”
In the years before his death, King changed his focus to poverty and militarism because he thought that addressing these issues — not solely racial brotherhood — was crucial to making equality real. And he paid the price for this change, becoming more and more of a pariah.
The danger for Sen. Barack Obama is that he is already doing to himself what later historical censorship did to King: He’s cleansing his program of contentious topics in order to assure his electability.
In a famous dialogue in Monty Python’s religious spoof The Life of Brian, which takes place in Palestine at the time of Christ, the leader of a Jewish revolutionary resistance organization passionately argues that Romans brought only misery to the Jews. When his followers remark that they nonetheless introduced education, built roads, constructed irrigation, etc., the leader triumphantly concludes: “All right, but apart from sanitation, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh-water system and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?”
Don’t Obama’s latest proclamations follow the same line? “I stand for a radical break with the Bush administration!” Or: “OK, sure, I pledge to support Israel unconditionally, to maintain the boycott of Cuba, to grant lawbreaking telecommunications corporations immunity, but I still stand for a radical break with the Bush administration!”
When Obama talks about the “audacity to hope,” about “a change we can believe in,” he is using a rhetoric of change that lacks specific content: To hope for what? To change what?
One should not blame Obama for his hypocrisy. Given the complex situation of the United States in today’s world, how far can a new president go in imposing actual change without triggering economic meltdown or political backlash?
But such a pessimistic view nonetheless falls short. Our global situation is not only a hard reality, it is also defined by ideological contours. In other words, it’s defined by what is sayable and unsayable, or what is visible and invisible.
More than a decade ago, when Israel’s Ha’aretz newspaper asked then-Labor Party leader Ehud Barak what he would have done if he had been born a Palestinian, Barak responded: “I would have joined a terrorist organization.”
This statement had nothing whatsoever to do with endorsing terrorism and everything to do with opening a space for a real dialogue with Palestinians.
The same thing occurred when Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev launched the slogans of glasnost (openness) and perestroika (reform). It didn’t matter whether Gorbachev “really meant” them. The very words unleashed an avalanche that changed the world.
Or, today, even those who oppose torture legitimize it by accepting it as a topic worthy of public debate — an immense regression from the Nuremberg Trials following World War II and the subsequent Geneva Convention.
Words are never “only words.” They matter because they define the outlines of what we can do.
In this regard, Obama has already demonstrated an extraordinary ability to change the limits of what one can publicly say. His greatest achievement to date is that he has, in his refined and non-provocative way, introduced into the public speech topics that were once unsayable: the continuing importance of race in politics, the positive role of atheists in public life, the necessity to talk with “enemies” like Iran.
And that is a great achievement, which changes the coordinates of the entire field. Even the Bush administration, having first criticized Obama for this proposal, is now itself talking directly with Iran.
If U.S. politics is to break its current gridlock, it needs new words that will change the way we think and act.
Even measured by the low standards of conventional wisdom, the old saying, “Don’t just talk, do something!” is one of the most stupid things one can say.
Lately we have been doing quite a bit — intervening in foreign countries and destroying the environment.
Perhaps, it’s time to step back, think and say the right thing.
Slavoj Žižek, a philosopher and psychoanalyst, is a senior researcher at the Institute for Advanced Study in the Humanities, in Essen, Germany. He is the author of, among many other books, The Fragile Absolute and Did Somebody Say Totalitarianism?
The Audacity of Rhetoric
By Slavoj Zizek
In January, when the United States remembered the tragic death of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., an urban history professor at the University of Buffalo named Henry Louis Taylor Jr., bitterly remarked: “All we know is that this guy had a dream. We don’t know what that dream was.”
Taylor was referring to an erasure of historical memory after King’s 1963 march on Washington, after he was cheered as “the moral leader of our nation.”
In the years before his death, King changed his focus to poverty and militarism because he thought that addressing these issues — not solely racial brotherhood — was crucial to making equality real. And he paid the price for this change, becoming more and more of a pariah.
The danger for Sen. Barack Obama is that he is already doing to himself what later historical censorship did to King: He’s cleansing his program of contentious topics in order to assure his electability.
In a famous dialogue in Monty Python’s religious spoof The Life of Brian, which takes place in Palestine at the time of Christ, the leader of a Jewish revolutionary resistance organization passionately argues that Romans brought only misery to the Jews. When his followers remark that they nonetheless introduced education, built roads, constructed irrigation, etc., the leader triumphantly concludes: “All right, but apart from sanitation, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh-water system and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?”
Don’t Obama’s latest proclamations follow the same line? “I stand for a radical break with the Bush administration!” Or: “OK, sure, I pledge to support Israel unconditionally, to maintain the boycott of Cuba, to grant lawbreaking telecommunications corporations immunity, but I still stand for a radical break with the Bush administration!”
When Obama talks about the “audacity to hope,” about “a change we can believe in,” he is using a rhetoric of change that lacks specific content: To hope for what? To change what?
One should not blame Obama for his hypocrisy. Given the complex situation of the United States in today’s world, how far can a new president go in imposing actual change without triggering economic meltdown or political backlash?
But such a pessimistic view nonetheless falls short. Our global situation is not only a hard reality, it is also defined by ideological contours. In other words, it’s defined by what is sayable and unsayable, or what is visible and invisible.
More than a decade ago, when Israel’s Ha’aretz newspaper asked then-Labor Party leader Ehud Barak what he would have done if he had been born a Palestinian, Barak responded: “I would have joined a terrorist organization.”
This statement had nothing whatsoever to do with endorsing terrorism and everything to do with opening a space for a real dialogue with Palestinians.
The same thing occurred when Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev launched the slogans of glasnost (openness) and perestroika (reform). It didn’t matter whether Gorbachev “really meant” them. The very words unleashed an avalanche that changed the world.
Or, today, even those who oppose torture legitimize it by accepting it as a topic worthy of public debate — an immense regression from the Nuremberg Trials following World War II and the subsequent Geneva Convention.
Words are never “only words.” They matter because they define the outlines of what we can do.
In this regard, Obama has already demonstrated an extraordinary ability to change the limits of what one can publicly say. His greatest achievement to date is that he has, in his refined and non-provocative way, introduced into the public speech topics that were once unsayable: the continuing importance of race in politics, the positive role of atheists in public life, the necessity to talk with “enemies” like Iran.
And that is a great achievement, which changes the coordinates of the entire field. Even the Bush administration, having first criticized Obama for this proposal, is now itself talking directly with Iran.
If U.S. politics is to break its current gridlock, it needs new words that will change the way we think and act.
Even measured by the low standards of conventional wisdom, the old saying, “Don’t just talk, do something!” is one of the most stupid things one can say.
Lately we have been doing quite a bit — intervening in foreign countries and destroying the environment.
Perhaps, it’s time to step back, think and say the right thing.
thedreampolice
A backwards poet writes inverse.
"When Obama talks about the “audacity to hope,” about “a change we can believe in,” he is using a rhetoric of change that lacks specific content: To hope for what? To change what?"
Thats a great way to put it. That has been my main thought all along.
Thats a great way to put it. That has been my main thought all along.