Killing em with my 8, i been thinking of going back to my akai machines, but timing, quantize(i never use it) and swing arent enough for me to sacrifice the editing, lcd screen (big as you want) mouse, pencil editing, grid and zoom) on top of that the INFinite patches and also sounds you can make on it with the resampling....i don't know I think most who give up on the machine either don't want to really learn or they just need the mpc timing only....BTW, i make all of my own patches, layering, filtering or just sampling something, it's not that hard to become a sounddesigner.