"Newbie" Producing questions.

[Bloodybastid]

I just got a couple of quick questions

1. I was watching some beatmaking video and this guy had this sample with a vocal....and he basically took out the vocals.....so basically...how do you do that?? Can you also take out other things in a sample other than the vocals?? Like background instruments/noises and stuff like that?


2. Basslines....how do you do your basslines? I'm pretty clueless as how to do them. Sometimes I'll do it right but that's just pure luck...that's just me messing around and not knowing what I'm doing then all of a sudden and a bassline will come up. Do you sample basslines...and how do you create your own? I mean basslines that shake like Dr. Dooom's "Apartment 223" or Necro's "White Slavery".

Thanks

 

[classic]

1 no cannot be done espically with newer recordings becasue the vocals are panned in differnt positions

2. Practice

 

[Carpe Diem]

yea, to q1, on old records, vocals are pannes 100% one way, instruments other, so u can take out the vocal by muting its channel....

 

[Fade]

Basslines are tricky at first, but like Classic said, it takes practice. My best advice would be to start off by putting a bass hit every 4th, on the first kick, for example. That would be like a foundation, then you can add other notes here and there, but it's all practice. You could also listen real carefuly to some of your favorite songs and try to figure out how they did their basslines.

If you want some good deep bass, sub-bass tones are really good. If you have Cool Edit Pro, click Generate > Tones and it will generate a straight tone, which you can later mess with by pitching it up and down, chopping it, etc.

 

[Lo'Nye]

yea, to q1, on old records, vocals are pannes 100% one way, instruments other, so u can take out the vocal by muting its channel....

I've learnt something 2day!!!

One

Lo'Nye

 

[Carpe Diem]

learn sumin new everyday huh?!? hehe

 

[Lo'Nye]

learn sumin new everyday huh?!? hehe

For sure!!!!

Lo'Nye

 

[mono]

the vocals, sometimes you just lucky and they are more on the left or the right channel in your waveeditor, so you just cut and paste. whenever they come with instrumentation beneath, it depends on what instruments are used- you can filter/eq out very high and very low frequencies, have to practice on that.

the bass is a hard piece as well. there are a few good vst plugins and instruments but f.e. i dont like synthesized ones, so i like to roll with filtered basses from soul and jazztracks. espacially jazz tracks have lots of fat contrabass to sample and filter. just cut of everything above 400 hz (bit more or less,depends) and see what you get.

+enjoy

 

[BROUSSARD BEATS]

i use a plugin call matrix some times it works on removing vocals
it comes with waves plugins

 

[Bloodybastid]

^^You can download that somwhere??

 

[Pinnacle]

1) The vocals on wax are sometimes on mono where the vocals are on one channel (ex. Right Channel) and instrument on another the left channel. It will indicate what it is on the label of record. The other type is stereo where the vocals on L & R channels are mixed together equaly. One tactic you can use is filters, whether it be a VST or Effect processor(ex. Sonic foundry's noise reduction Plug-in). Filters come with different preset parameters like (2-Pole, 4 Pole, Notch). Self explanitory; They are used for filtering out unwanted noise from samples. You must use an eq and bring the vocal or instrument, Whatever you want to hear from the back of the mix (ie. sample) to the front so it and only it can be heard. This can be done using programs like Soundforge 7.0 and Recyle which are wave editing programs.

2) Alot of basslines are comprised of nothing more than 4 or maybe even 6 notes moving in a step upwards or downward and a variation of those notes say every 4, 8, even 16 bars. The key to the bassline really depends on the what your snare and kick drum is saying.

A good source of knowlegde for you could be found on http://www.tweakheadz.com/guide.htm

 

[mikemusic]

I beg to differ with some of the responses. It's actually easier to remove vocals from today's songs because tracks are being recorded one at a time & on seperate physical tracks on the board. Normally the setup (because I also engineer) is:

Lead Vox: Pan center
Lead Vox Dub (optional): Pan -2 to -10 Left or Right.
Backgrounds: I pan them hard left and right then use one of my Pro Tools plugins to bring them closer together slightly.

That setup is used by just about ANY professional engineer you hire. Any software or hardware you get to remove vocals will basically remove anything that's placed dead in the center...leaving you, depending on how it was recorded, with no kick, no snare, no lead vox, a ton of reverb and a ton of backgrounds.

On the contrary, the recording process back in the day was different. Complete bands played in one big room at the same time. You got a ton of mic bleed in the mixes making it hard to remove vocals entirely.

 

[sezwho ?]

learn phase relationships. with skill you can take out only certain areas of the stereo field. check out voxengo's pha plug-in (very cpu intensive but very good)

voxengo pha people hint hint good for so many things nothing else like it for vst