@Fade , thanks for the feedback bruh...the key to making the 808 or 909 bass drum sound really good? you guys have to start using that eq or mixing board...Example: when i lay down my tracks..you have to focus on seperation...my keys, brass and atmospheric sounds i pan them to the right...all drums such as Bass Drums, kicks, and bass lines and snares should stay centered.. hi-hats, and other small percussions like bells and wood blocks..etc should pan left...vocal samples or any samples should stay centered...your volume for each sound should be -05 or -06 decibles...you should control your mix volume with the master volume..but i know everybody uses different systems in making your music...my keys to winning contests are dope intros, good mixing and editing and balance....i have developed this method and it has brought me success not only here on illmuzik..but other places as well...and my beats sales have increased by 10%...Well Fade, that's some of my secrets...share this if you like with everybody...hope it helps